By Ross Ruediger
“Forest of the Dead” is an episode that left me so thoroughly perplexed that I had to see it several times to even begin thinking I understood it. I can honestly say that no installment of the new series (or even classic Who for that matter) confused me as much as this one and if that earns me the nickname “Thick as a Whale Omelet Ruediger,” then so be it. I asked for some help from fellow Who/Moffat enthusiasts Steven Cooper, Peet Gelderblom and Chris Hansen, three people whom I figured could help me get to the bottom of it all. They did help, were full of insights and opinions and their words are as important to recap as anything I’ve got to say. Yet another viewing helped, too, and I’m starting to believe the story is either not as complex as I’d originally thought, or it’s so obtuse that I’m never truly going to see the bigger picture.
The episode begins with the Doctor (David Tennant), River Song (Alex Kingston) and the rest (skipping the Gilligan’s Island joke this time) fighting off the Vashta Nerata-riddled corpse of Proper Dave. River whips out a sonic blaster similar to the one Captain Jack used in Moffat’s “Empty Child” two-parter. (Moffat has apparently said that it is in fact the same blaster; Jack left it in the TARDIS and River confiscated it at some point in the Doctor’s future.) Anyway, the gang exits through a hole in the wall, while the girl (Eve Newton) watches their escapades on TV. She flips the channels and settles on a less frenetic adventure starring Donna Noble (Catherine Tate), who is now under the care of Dr. Moon (Colin Salmon) at a care facility called CAL. The girl doesn’t seem surprised that her shrink is on her TV and she recognizes Donna from The Library. The Svengali-like Dr. Moon guides Donna into a new life—one without the fictitious Doctor, but with a husband and children. It all happens alarmingly fast—too fast in fact. If it weren’t so ideal, Donna might have a stronger sense that something isn’t right about it all. But there is something safe and cozy about this new world—it’s the sort of life Donna dreamed of having before meeting the Doctor.
Back in The Library, the Doctor and the hole in the wall gang continue dealing with the Vashta Nerada threat. The Doctor and River get into a fight about the sonic screwdriver she possesses and he finally blows his stack and demands to know who she is. Lux (Steve Pemberton) accuses them of arguing like an old married couple, which is immediately followed by River whispering something into the Doctor’s ear. It turns him white and reduces him to silence. Later on in the story he reveals that she spoke his name, which is something he would only have told someone under a very specific circumstance. It appears that in the Doctor’s future, River is his wife or at least as much of a wife as the Doctor could ever have. It’s entirely open to interpretation of course, but I was hard-pressed to come up with any other take on it.
The Doctor drags himself away from the emotion of the moment and gets back to business. He asks about the moon hovering above, and Lux reveals it’s not a real moon, but a “Doctor Moon”—a sort of virus checker/tech support for The Library. He fiddles with his screwdriver and a hologram of Donna appears for a brief moment and then the shadows are once again on the move, this time stalking Anita (Jessika Williams), and the story goes through similar motions as it did with Proper Dave in the first episode. Speaking of, Dave’s skeleton shows up once again to plague the group. The skeletons are rather silly, and seem shoehorned into the tale because you can’t make a proper Vashta Nerada action figure. (How cynical I’ve become toward my favorite series in the past four years; at least I haven’t stooped to declaring that Russell T. Davies raped my childhood.) The Doctor finally communicates with the Vashta Nerada through one of the data ghosts which leads to the least successful moment in the entire story. One of the worst sins Doctor Who can commit is delivering a moment when we’re ahead of the Doctor. Here it is when the Vashta Nerada said, "We didn't come here—we were hatched here", and the Doctor replies, "Of course you came here. You're hatched from spores in trees." Immediately, I made the connection to the books and the paper within them—but it takes the Doctor a few beats to figure it out. Further, it seems such an obvious payoff once the fact they hatch from trees is revealed, that I can see why it wasn't mentioned in the first episode at all. But that itself is problematic because it should have been something the Doctor pondered from early on in the story, and thus he should have at least been suspicious long before episode two. This is a huge failure on the part of the narrative.
Steven Cooper said of “The Doctor’s Daughter” that it “suffers from being told in one episode rather than two (although, given how consistently good this season has been, I can't think of another episode I'd want to lose to make way for an expanded version of this one).” I suggested that perhaps this tale could perhaps have been a better one-parter, due to the excessive running around and the repetition of numerous elements and information in both episodes. Peet Gelderblom did not agree with me and stated the story “…was particularly layered and condensed, so I don't agree this could ever have worked as a single episode. And the skeletons in spacesuits rule, dammit!” Peet added to the thought (as only Peet can) that “They make brilliant sense as a metaphor for mortality, too: In the future we all die...” Steven agreed with me on the skeletons by saying they were “the least successful of the ‘creepy’ elements, mainly due to the fact that (like a lot of Doctor Who monsters) they don't actually do anything apart from lurching slowly after our heroes.” As far as the episode count goes, Steven was with Peet and didn’t think this could have worked as a one-parter, but he did rather astutely declare, “I think both this and 'The Doctor's Daughter' have about one and a half episodes worth of plot.” Best laid plans, eh?
A bizarre veiled figure is trying to get the attention of the increasingly confused Donna, who is beginning to see bigger holes in the veil of her strange new world. The figure leaves her a note saying, “The world is wrong” and requesting Donna’s presence at her “usual play park.” Bam! It’s the next day and Donna is there and the figure, a woman, waits for her on a bench. She begins explaining the jagged nature of time in this world and how desires seem to be instantly met. She also reveals herself to be “what is left of Miss Evangelista,” and slowly Donna’s real life and her memories of the Doctor start coming back to her as she learns that she’s been programmed to forget her real life. When the woman insists that even Donna’s children are a construct, she forces her to see that all the children on the playground are the same boy and girl. It’s a disturbing, weird moment followed by one that’s even creepier. One the most disturbing images ever shown on Doctor Who is when Donna rips the veil off Evangelista and sees the twisted, computer-botched horror beneath. It’s striking imagery and an interesting idea that Steven Cooper didn’t entirely buy into: “Her increased intelligence made her able to understand the nature of the data core and not be fooled by the virtual reality—and also to insert herself into the virtual reality of others. I should say that I think this is an example of Moffat using some clever gags—‘I think a decimal point may have shifted in my IQ’ and the ‘brilliant and unloved’ bit (shades of Sally Sparrow's ‘Sad is happy for deep people’)—to try and paper over a necessary plot implausibility. As anyone who has had actual data corruption in a computer file will know, the chance of it producing anything useful is zero.”
Around the same time Donna is discovering that the world she’s living in is a computer construct, the Doctor is figuring out that The Library has “saved” 4022 people from the Vashta Nerada and placed their consciousnesses into these perfect realities, while their physical selves are saved as “energy signatures.” (At this point, you’re either buying everything that’s said or it’s all gone south.) As the various characters continue to solve the numerous predicaments, the girl becomes progressively unhinged. Lux reveals that CAL is an acronym for Charlotte Abigail Lux—his grandfather’s youngest daughter who was dying. She was wired into The Library as the main Node so she could read forever… but nobody counted on the Vashta Nerada which screwed everything up and now the computer’s exhausted its resources from all the saving. The Doctor deduces that he must wire himself into the computer (a risky proposition), but before he can do this River knocks him unconscious. He awakens to see her wired in, and explains that she must do it as she cannot risk him dying as it would mean they would never meet. He says that time can be rewritten, but she refuses, “Not those times. Not one line, don’t you dare.” It’s an intensely emotional scene with the Doctor reacting to a future he has yet to experience, but knows will someday bring wonders.
River’s sacrifice fixes everything and 4022 people are restored, including Donna. I’m still confused as to what exactly the deal was the Doctor made with the Vashta Nerada (have at it folks—I’m losing steam here). In the final moments, the Doctor realizes that his future self must have given River his sonic screwdriver for a reason and it turns out her data ghost is bleeping away on the inside of the device (although I do not understand how it got there). He takes the data ghost and sends her consciousness off to live in the computer forever, something I found weirdly cruel, despite my atheism, which I’m told should be a key philosophy to appreciating the development. Perhaps it’s the latent Catholic in me.
This recap was all over the place, but then again so is the episode. I know I left stuff out and oversimplified far too much of it, and perhaps even made hay over things that weren’t all that important. It’s an incredibly ambitious storyline (perhaps too much so) that’s got so many elements banging up against each other it’s amazing it works at all. It’s arguably Moffat’s weakest contribution to the series thus far, yet it’s still better than most Doctor Who stories. The River Song/Doctor love story is easily the standout section, but one cannot watch this material without wondering if we’ll see River later on the series. It seems all the more of a setup since Moffat wrote this during a time in which he knew he’d be taking over the series in 2010. But for a concept in which the youth of the Doctor is emphasized from River’s POV, can the show reasonably bring Kingston back to the show when she as an actress is two years older than she is here? Would it matter? What if David Tennant doesn’t return for Season Five in 2010? Do River’s comments still apply? Peet Gelderblom has numerous thoughts on these issues: “I think you're taking River's remark about how young the Doctor looked too literally, Ross. My wife Tina has exactly the same feeling about a picture of me taken two years before we met. The difference is in the eyes. Moffat clearly shows the Doctor as a changed man in the end, more assured of his own powers. For all we know, this Doctor could already be the one River remembers. If River ends up being the Doctor's future companion (she sure seems an obvious candidate to me), Season Five could still offer a regenerated Doctor. River's remarks would still make sense if she's looking at a previous incarnation of the man she's become so attached to.”
She’s aware of regeneration within the story, so it’s feasible she’s already known more than one incarnation of the Doctor. Chris Hansen offered up his thoughts: “With regard to how ‘young’ the Doctor supposedly looked to River, I initially thought she meant that the version she knew was a future regeneration, but I’ve since decided that it was written vaguely enough to imply a regeneration or simply the idea that he seemed older when she knew him. I don’t know if she’ll be a companion, but she’d be a welcome one. I really sensed by what the Doctor said that there was some specific reason that she would know his name—it made me think they were married and more than just generally “in love” or some other thing. I’m not really sure marriage is correct—but he seemed to be alluding to some specific reason he would have told her his name, something more than simply having deep affection or even love for her.”
Steven Cooper has many ideas on these issues—and he’ll no doubt throw down a few more in the comments section—but here’s some of what he conveyed to me: “The story makes it quite clear that she really is his future wife or similar significant other… It's left ambiguous whether she has met the Tenth Doctor before, but my hunch is that she did meet him… and also saw him regenerate into the Eleventh. Her description of the Doctor who visited her for the last time before she came to the Library doesn't fit Tennant's Doctor—she mentions him wearing a suit as though it was something unusual. I don't think we can conclude that she is being set up as the companion for Series Five, or even that we'll necessarily ever see her again. Doctor Who is structured loosely enough that adventures can always be assumed to be happening between the ones we see on screen…”
Steven is correct about off-screen adventures occurring in the Who timeline, but it seems to me that it would be a massive cheat if the bigger story of River Song and the Doctor were never addressed again. It seems too important to our understanding of the Doctor, but then again perhaps it was Moffat’s intention to inject a major unsolved personal mystery into the central character’s life; something that fanboys can debate through the ages, without ever getting a proper answer. If that’s the case, then my hat goes off to him. It’s a far more intriguing mystery than much of what was attempted in the Sylvester McCoy era of the series. Chris Hansen made an observation that was either incredibly perceptive or just plain wrong (I’m sure we’ll find out by season’s end): The death of River Song was the Ood’s prediction fulfilled (“Your song will end soon”). If he’s correct, I admire the production team for not beating us over the head with it via a flashback. Maybe the truth of the Doctor and River Song would be less engaging than any fabled romance our imaginations can conjure up.
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Ross Ruediger is a San Antonio-based writer. In addition to contributing to The House Next Door, he also publishes The Rued Morgue and writes for Bullz-Eye.
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Sunday, June 29, 2008
Doctor Who: Season 4, Ep. 9, "Forest of the Dead"
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I had no problems following or understanding it on one viewing, but then, I'm a genius. Ha ha.
But seriously, I think it is a bit confused and has some leaps of logic it should have avoided. None the less, I found it very interesting and creative. But I do have two huge problems with this storyline.
1. What did the VN feed on all those hundreds of years no one was on the library planet. Wouldn't they have starved out? Never explained.
2. So VN spores can survive the wood pulping and paper making process to still hatch young? Okaaay.
To answer a couple of your questions, the VN made a deal to give the Doctor a limited amount of time to get the people off that world. Which is why it was safe to get them out of the database.
I get the impression River knew him in a different incarnation, but she still saw him as her Doctor.
What he did to save her isn't cruel since she is able to live on in a kind of heaven. Maybe he was saving her so he can restore her later on.
Some of your questions may be answered soon in the season's final episodes. I have seen all but the last one. It's clearly the most ambitious story yet.
Not everything I emailed you made sense, Ross, but I still believe this two-parter was very much a plea for fiction and imagination. The library as a world within one's mind; the constant reflection on narrative forms (Donna caught inside a TV soap, repeated nods to Doctor Who's future arc, "spoilers"); originality versus formula (Donna in love with a succession of bland cliches), suspension of disbelief ("your dream is real") and the responsibility of readership (to breathe life into the pages, and to remember).
I liked Blink, The Girl in the Fireplace and the Jeckyl series better, but Steven Moffat is still light years ahead of almost any other writer in speculative fiction. If anything, his abundance of ideas will profit from having an extended story arc in season 2010. The guy hits so many notes that you just wish he would have more time to let his scenes breathe a bit.
Then again, I consider an overreaching Moffat a good thing.
Oddly, I felt much the same, only for different reasons. Perhaps your discomfort with this episode is due to the nonsense we were forced to endure the previous episode.
To me, this would have been a great single one-off episode - it had all the elements of a one-part episode and if you didn't know what happened last episode, I contend you wouldn't have missed a beat - the whole construct was that obvious.
As you are well aware, it's long been my contention that there are very few writers/directors who can pull off a coherant, cogent and intelligent two-part episode in weekly TV and this was a perfect example where clearly instead of the first episode being the better of the two, the second part was the better and exposed the flaws of the first.
The whole problem with this two parter was the way the narrative was built - one whole hour was wasted on the Shadow thingies, establishing that the Library's family wanted to know what heppened to all the people and the Doctor's relationship with Dr. Song - it was narrative wasted and could have been told in a couple of minutes of exposition.
I quite enjoyed the second episode because it was a good story spoiled by some kind of idiotc need to have excess narrative for no reason other than to fill time.
The deal made with the VN was that he would not inflict himself on them if they left everyone alone - they gave him one day.
River says: "Judging by the face I'm guessing early years." or something very close to that. She then immediately attempts to pinpoint the exact frame of reference using various events. The dialog is not ambiguous: she had adventures with the 10th Doctor.
I'm hoping (desperately) that the time and/or place the Doctor is allowed to say is own name isn't as mundane as a marriage ceremony.
I'm surprised that so many seem to think the Doctor and River will marry or have some other relationship of that nature. The Doctor looked devastated when River whispered his name. Now, that may be because his name has unpleasant associations for him, but surely if he would only speak it to someone with whom he would be very initimate, he would at least be a little intrigued about her? I didn't see any sign of that.
I didn't understand why River ended up living Donna's fantasy and babysitting two imaginary children and CAL. I found that extremely depressing. Surely she should be out finding more practical clothes and doing extraordinary archeological stuff (with her coworkers - who would want that for 'eternity'?!!!)
There was a lot I liked about this episode, particularly Donna and the Doctor at the end, and it was gorgeous to look at.
Anon, I agree about the strangeness of River ending up in Donna's virtual house. Almost seems like there was a cross-wire, when she was being saved, and she got inserted to the Donna dream.
I also agree that the horror on the Doctor's face at the utterance of his name does not bode well for a love relationship between them.
As for River being with the 10th Doctor in the future, that depends on what happens in this seasons finale.
The way she acted toward the Doctor suggests they had a more intimate relationship than your average companion.
The Doctor is kind of closed off emotionally when it comes to getting too involved with his companions. He may have been shocked that he let his guard down with someone enough to tell them his name.
The main thing is, it gets you wondering what's to come.
There are three elements that make this far from Moffat's best:
1) The data ghosts were creepy but the shambling skeletons in space suits were at first merely standard horror fare and then just boring.
2) The transition from the Vashta Narada as unstoppable implacable forces without weakness ("just run") to defanged collective intelligences that the Doctor makes a deal with (leaving them without food) is weak
3) The "everybody lives" with River in the virtual world was just insulting and erases much of the emotional power of the ending (whereas it worked well in its first incarnation)
Take those elements away, and you have something close to Moffat genius; with them.....
Ironic that the best episode this season is Midnight, which is RTD's, not the Moffat episode I was looking forward to.
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2) The transition from the Vashta Narada as unstoppable implacable forces without weakness ("just run") to defanged collective intelligences that the Doctor makes a deal with (leaving them without food) is weak
I think this was a huge part of why I didn't get the deal that was made, as it seemed to have left the VN there to starve. And yes, the shift from "just run" to "look me up in the database and be scared shitless" is as ineffective a resolution as anything the new series has ever put out there.
Steven Cooper has many ideas on these issues — and he’ll no doubt throw down a few more in the comments section...
Yikes, where'd that spotlight come from? :-)
I think you've used most of what I sent you, Ross, except for one point which I think is worth making. Right up until a few weeks before transmission, this episode was intended to be called "River's Run" -- only at the last minute was the more conventionally Who-ish title "Forest of the Dead" substituted. Had the original title remained, I think it would have served to focus the audience's attention on what turns out to be the most important plot strand, the River Song story, rather than the Vashta Nerada threat which goes away well before the end.
It also would have resonated beautifully with key moments of the climactic dialogue -- "You and me, time and space; you watch us run..."; River's "When you run with the Doctor" voiceover; and the Doctor's "Stay with me! One last run!" as he's hurtling down the corridors to save her.
I think this was a huge part of why I didn't get the deal that was made, as it seemed to have left the VN there to starve.
I didn't have a problem with wondering what the Vashta Nerada would feed on with all the humans gone -- they've already survived a hundred years with the Library deserted, after all. Presumably the planet's not completely sterile, and there are small creatures scurrying around that they can eat (the Doctor did mention they usually subsist on roadkill).
Relegating the Vashta Nerada plot strand to the sideshow it turns out to be, I thought the CAL and River Song threads came together and resolved as neatly and cleverly as anything Moffat has written. The happy (or rather, bittersweet) ending coming just after it seemed Moffat had finally killed off a character was unexpected yet completely logical. (In the podcast commentary, Moffat is quite proud of having produced six episodes without a single character dying on screen other than from old age. He did promise to start killing characters properly in series 5, however... :-) )
...it turns out her data ghost is bleeping away on the inside of the device (although I do not understand how it got there).
The neural relay in the sonic screwdriver is not the one from River Song's suit -- that got fried along with her. It must have been placed in the screwdriver by the future Doctor before he gave it to River, and presumably set to remain in sync with her own neural relay, which it did (without her knowing about it) right up until her death.
I certainly didn't find River's fate either cruel or insulting. It doesn't invalidate her sacrifice, since her physical body remains destroyed. There was nothing else to be done -- as Steven Moffat said on Confidential:
"Given the absolute straight choice between oblivion and the run of all human history and all human literature, I'll take the run of all human history and all human literature. I think that sounds quite a good retirement plan. That's pretty much as close to heaven as you're going to get, and that's what the Doctor gives River at the end. He gives her an eternal retirement -- which is, you know, nice of him..."
On another topic, I think Eve Newton should be praised for her performance as the little girl. I gather it was her first acting job, and she has a bright future if this is anything to go by. She was natural and believable all the way through -- and the shot of her peeping, terrified, at her TV from behind a cushion epitomises everything that Doctor Who should be trying to achieve. :-) (I can certainly understand her screaming at that distorted face of Miss Evangelista -- I nearly leapt out of my chair when it appeared...)
And Catherine Tate was, yet again, superb. She had her own story with a lot of different emotional beats to play, from the initial bewilderment at her situation (another typically simple but brilliant Moffat idea -- what if you have a standard TV show-style narrative, but a character in it actually notices the jump-cuts?), to the hilariously exasperated "But I've been dieting!" to sheer horror as her children disappear in front of her eyes. Best of all, though, were the quiet scenes at the end where Donna and the Doctor reflect on their experiences, giving each other support without having to spell everything out.
(And the final twist, with Lee on the teleport pad just missing Donna, did actually make me shout "You bastard, Moffat!" at my TV... :-) )
Right up until a few weeks before transmission, this episode was intended to be called "River's Run" -- only at the last minute was the more conventionally Who-ish title "Forest of the Dead" substituted.
Ah. So Moffat went from an allusion to the granddaddy of time flows, Finnegan's Wake "riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay" to an allusion to Dennis Potter, a master of dreamscapes, who was born in the Forest of Dean, which is the first thing that popped into my head when I saw the title. And, in a nice little connection, I saw on Wiki that he once called the BBC's John Birt a "croak-voiced Dalek."
Regarding the River-Doctor dynamic, I thought it was fairly unambiguous that she had spent time with *this* Doctor (Ten). Her lack of surprise at his physical appearance, the references to him being “young”, and the fact she did not immediately understand why he did not recognise her - all lead me to believe she had spent time with Ten. (These reactions were very different to those of Sarah-Jane when she first met Ten.)
The only thing I am not one hundred percent convinced of, is the nature of their relationship. They are obviously close - but does that mean married? Perhaps she is a descendant. Any reason he could not have loved someone else and fathered some children? Or Jenny could not have had children? (And generations of descendants.) For that matter, any reason Jenny did not learn to regenerate and Dr River Song *is* Jenny? (Admittedly, I don't really believe that but technically possible? Perhaps.) I just feel like the obvious solution – partners/spouses/etcetera – is just not very… I don’t know, Moffat-esque? (For want of a better word.)
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Her lack of surprise at his physical appearance, the references to him being “young”, and the fact she did not immediately understand why he did not recognise her - all lead me to believe she had spent time with Ten. (These reactions were very different to those of Sarah-Jane when she first met Ten.)
I would argue that some of River's reactions were similar to Sarah Jane's. Sarah wasn't surprised by the 10th Doctor's new appearance (as she, too, had witnessed regeneration) and while I don't recall her specifically mentioning his youth, she clearly noticed it and said "I got old."
I just feel like the obvious solution – partners/spouses/etcetera – is just not very… I don’t know, Moffat-esque?
Come on, this is the guy who created and wrote the series "Coupling!" And his DW tales thus far have been very romantic in nature, esp "Fireplace" and "Blink." The idea of River being the Doctor's future wife is ~very~ Moffat!
wow pretty long review!
Such a pleasure to read this intelligent discussion and the thoughtful comments that followed.
I loved Silence/Forest and have to think that Moffat has future plans for the Doctor and River.
Two points: I've looked, but found no reference anywhere in Who 'canon' that connects the Doctor's name to a privotal event so perhaps that question has yet to be answered by Moffat.
Also, River commented that the Doctor 'showed up at my door wearing a suit.' Were they indeed married, I think she might have said, "When you came home."
Food for thought.
Again, an excellent blog!
I agree is was very confusing what deal he actually made with the Vashta Nerada. Considering the "villian" never takes the deal, this was extra odd.
I agree with Terri - "Also, River commented that the Doctor 'showed up at my door wearing a suit.' Were they indeed married, I think she might have said, "When you came home." That should have been worded differently if they were married. BUT everyhting made me feel that they were married.
Gary
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I know this may be a little late, but I just found this site and some of the interesting takes on the little things that make Doctor Who so intriguing. Anyway, I would like to propose that maybe the Doctor did not reveal his true name because of marriage, but because it would be the only way he would believe Dr. Song when she said she knew him. After all, he developed a special sonic screwdriver just for her which would catch his former self's attention quickly.
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