By Sean Burns and Andrew Dignan
Andrew Dignan: Pardon the interruption Sean, but I take back what I said a few weeks ago about The Fountain being the weirdest, most hallucinatory film of the holidays. I knew I never should have counted out Mel Gibson (aka “Crazy Christian”) who two years after making The Passion of the Christ, the rare film that could appeal equally to Evangelicals and the Fangoria set, returns with Apocalypto -- another viscera-dripping exercise in onscreen violence, without any pesky ideology or Jew-baiting to get in the way of all the fun.
I, like most people I know, have spent the better part of the past year making jokes at poor Mel’s expense as his adventures in Malibu appeared to be several chickens finally coming home to roost, all in one glorious/horrifying public breakdown the likes of which I never thought I’d see again (until Michael Richards proved me completely wrong). As Mel’s spent the past three years as fodder for late night talk show monologues, it’s becoming distressingly easy to forget what a provocative and unique filmmaker he’s become, with a keen eye for visual, near-silent storytelling that sets him apart from nearly every other actor turned director in Hollywood. You might be repulsed by what he’s saying with his films, but my God, does he say it with aplomb. Of course your level of revulsion with Apocalypto will likely depend on your tolerance for watching someone other than the Son of God be brutalized for two hours. Playing like The Last of the Mohicans with way more human sacrifice, Apocalypto is a surprisingly conventional action movie, complete with all of the familiar beats one would come to expect from any given mid-'80s Stallone or Schwarzenegger film, the only difference here is it’s a bunch of guys running around in loincloths speaking a dead language (the film strangely reminded me of the Rae Dawn Chong camp-extravaganza Quest for Fire).
Making room for mother-in-law jokes, Jackass-style gross-out gags and fraternal back-slapping, Apocalypto finds Gibson working in the same nyuk-nyuk vein that’s sustained him for over 25 years, proving that, if nothing else, the guy still has retained his sense of humor (juvenile as it may be). This is merely the calm before the storm, however -- establishing the simple, peaceful natives who are conquered by their war-mongering neighbors for the purposes of being dragged through the jungle to be sold off in an open-air market (if they’re lucky) or, more likely, to be torn to pieces as a gift to the Gods. It just wouldn’t be a Gibson film unless someone gets drawn and quartered, would it?
Much ink has been spilt trying to get to the bottom of Mel’s bizarre predisposition towards torture and desecration of the flesh (although I like to think the South Park boys have done the best job of dressing down Gibson as a barking loon), but Apocalytpo takes this idea to near-comical extremes, culminating in a second-act sequence set high atop a pyramid where many a heads is lopped off and sent hurtling to the ground like a soccer ball kicked down cellar steps. As in The Passion, the violence is inseparably linked to acts of faith; here the opulent (and Gibson would likely argue, diseased) Mayans slaughter the indigenous surrounding tribes as a testament to their society and deities being the only true ones. This, coupled with a third act that finds a larger, stronger, and better-armed platoon slowly decimated by booby-traps and scrappy insurgent ingenuity, can’t help but feel like a sly tweak of the very administration whose base made Gibson’s last film one of the biggest hits in history. One must hand it to the man for remaining, as always, unpredictable.
Of course what really counts here is whether the film quickens the pulse, and by and large the film does. Working against the ticking clock of an impending rainstorm that threatens to drown his pregnant wife and a young son who are safely tucked away at the bottom of a well, the last third of Apocalypto finds our hero Jaguar Paw (Rudy Youngblood) outrunning spears, bow and arrow and dudes in creepy headgear, in one prolonged breakneck-run through the jungle. This section is largely derivative of everything from First Blood to Predator, and I couldn’t help but wish cinematographer Dean Semler were shooting on 35mm instead of HD (those pixels were the size of grapefruits during some of the POV shots). Yet the film’s later segments take on a primal urgency which transcends period, language and large dollops of blue body paint. Watching large jungle cats tear off the faces of pierced Mayan warriors may not be all the fundamentally different from watching the son of a carpenter get his ribs kicked in circa 33 AD, but because it's framed within a genre instead of a sermon, it certainly seems to go down easier. Sean, I’m convinced you took up chain smoking just to be more like Mel, so please tell me you had as good a time with this one as I did.
Sean Burns: Um, that would be both Mel and Bruce Willis, thank you very much. (I can never quite decide if it was Martin Riggs or John McClane who made smoking look so fucking cool.) But yes, Apocalypto was indeed an enormous hoot. I’ve been going around describing it to everybody as Werner Herzog’s Rambo IV. Can you imagine what kind of nightmares this Gibson fellow has? He might be a seriously disturbed lunatic, but such a fascinating filmmaker. There’s a real primal terror and forcefulness to the way he juxtaposes images, at once strange, familiar, and horrifying -- this guy’s movies come straight from the gut.
What’s heartening to me, at least with regard to Apocalypto’s reception, is that critics are finally focusing on the awesome brutishness of Gibson’s filmmaking skills, instead of merely writing “I Hate The Red States” dissertations, as was temporarily in vogue after The Passion of the Christ’s release. Our host was one of the few I recall who really fixated on the power of Gibson’s technique, and I have to admit that in this respect, the dismissively (far too) gentle reviews for The Nativity Story made me chuckle to no end. All the same folks who a couple years ago seemed so outraged that a tale narrowly focused on Jesus’ death didn’t highlight more of his life and teachings now seem largely nonplussed that similar subjects weren’t addressed in a similarly narrowly focused story of His birth. (Of course, the fact that Catherine Hardwicke couldn’t direct her way out of a paper bag with both hands and a map probably helps.)
But I must admit, the first forty minutes or so of Apocalypto left me sorta cold. The Malick-y strangeness of the mileu was, to me, compromised by Gibson’s Three Stooges humor. (I’d never imagined so many bad “mother-in-law jokes” in a fifteenth century dead-language epic.) It wasn’t until all the hallucinatory depravity in the Mayan temples kicked in that suddenly I wanted to hide under my chair – and what’s scarier than the little grace note of the fat, spoiled child, cheering on the beheadings? This man seriously knows how to horrify.
I tread lightly here, because I don’t wish to rekindle our Passion Of The Christ argument, as it’s frankly a fight I’m sick of having with people. (That movie has become like arguing with somebody about abortion or Iraq, you’re eight drinks in and everybody’s screaming and there’s just never going to be any common ground.) But these films are so fundamentally similar, and yet the reception has been so drastically different, I would argue that Apocalypto becomes a much simpler, easily digestible experience after it turns into a Rambo movie. What made The Passion such an overwhelmingly powerful film experience for me is that it used almost identical blunt-force action movie techniques, but instead of the simple retribution of Apocalypto, The Passion applied the same macho swagger to Jesus’ endless capacity for forgiveness. He stood up at that whipping post and turned the other cheek with the same rousing fanfare we get when Jaguar Paw rises from the water and gets all cocky after the waterfall stunt. Jim Caviezel was granted the same heroic camera treatment as Rudy Youngblood, but always in the context of kindness -- watch him re-attach the centurion’s ear, or speak kindly to The Good Thief on the cross in the midst of some unspeakable torture! Apocalypto is a much easier, lesser movie because Jaguar Paw fights back. The Passion was a tale told in the vernacular of the action picture, but one that frustrated and confounded that vernacular. If you’re wondering why this one goes down easier, I think that might be the key.
AD: Considering how offensive I found the violence in The Passion (and I’m pretty far from squeamish) I was amazed at how similar depictions here were like water off a duck’s back. In its rhythms (family man is wronged, gets revenge on those who hurt him) the film’s not all that different from Death Wish or any of the hundreds of films that have included the line “This time it’s personal” on the poster. Whether that undercuts the film’s own worth, by more or less “devolving” into just an action film, is a question Matt addressed in his own review, although I think the boldness of the filmmaking supersedes any clichés or the film may tread in. Frankly I feel a little guilty about the amount of enjoyment I derived from the film; I now wonder if the film is destined to be seen as a Hostel for the subtitles crowd.
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AD: Anyway, how’s your Liberal Guilt treating you these days? More importantly, when was the last time you thought about where the diamonds you bought come from? I mean really thought about them? Because should you ever somehow get your hands on something that precious, you better make damn sure that no one lost their hands for it.
The most misguided socially-conscious film of the year, Blood Diamond finds director Ed Zwick (The Last Samurai) spending an ungodly amount of money to chronicle exploited minorities, exotic cultures and under-represented global strife, while explaining how all of these things serve to enrich the lives and deepen the souls of photogenic white people. Here we have Leonardo DiCaprio, rocking K-Fed facial hair and a Dutch accent, as he lies, steals, cheats, kills and routinely threatens to skin Djimon Honsou en route to learning what’s important in life. This all would be especially odious if DiCaprio (who between this and The Departed is having a banner year, giving performances better than the film they’re featured in) wasn’t so damn irresistible playing a snake. Using his boyish good looks to gloss over a lot of appalling personality traits, Leo’s Danny Archer spends much the film charming people who clearly despise him, playing upon the knowledge that no matter how much he’s fucking them over, they can feel confident that someone else is getting it worse. It’s a total Bogart performance, a trait that seems to be in demand this month.
Of course, the over-stuffed and overlong Blood Diamond has more important matters to tackle than Leo the war profiteer, taking swipes at everything from western indifference, to hoarding by diamond companies to raise demand to the horrific practice of warlords recruiting young children into militias. When contemplating alternate titles for the film, one imagines simply Africa was tossed around. It’s the sort of film where waves of faceless poor blacks are mowed down by jeep-mounted machine gun without much of a second thought, and we’re supposed to be wrapped up in the plight of rascally Leo’s search for a pink diamond the size of an acorn and the equally lily-white Jennifer Connelly’s desire to tell the important story of Africa. Left with barely any material with which to construct a human face to all of this death and destruction is Honsou (in a bafflingly overpraised performance) who rages demonstratively at the injustices levied at him and his family, but ultimately fails to exist beyond enabling his white companion. Sean, I know I’m not doing this patronizingly dull film justice. Take the ball and run with it.
SB: Dude, you already know better than anybody that the only girl who ever stamped her feet and demanded diamonds from me was also so mercenary that she wouldn’t mind if there was an entire village’s worth of chopped-off African baby arms included the equation, just so long as they didn’t compromise the view from her Box Seats at Fenway Park. However, none of this changes the fact that Edward Zwick is a truly horrible filmmaker. Seriously bro, who else could make a boring samurai movie?
The problem with Blood Diamond is that it’s a great idea for a 105 minute Walter Hill potboiler, and the underlying plot is straight outta Sergio Leone, but Zwick turns it into a bloated, Oscar-grubbing term paper. As such, he employs all the expected genre tropes, while at the same time the guy wants us to feel so guilty that he denies us any of the genre satisfactions. Blood Diamond is even more annoying because, as you’ve noted, DiCaprio is such a great Han Solo. What I feel the Scorsese collaborations have missed (yes, even my dear Departed) is that conspiratorial wink and hustle this kid is capable of when he’s acting like an amoral shitbag. He’s such a smoothie that his presence elicits the first-ever interesting performance from Jennifer Connelly. She’s usually a blank, weepy porcelain goddess, and yet Leo seems to kick her into a new flirty, frisky arena I’ve never seen before from this actress.
But has there ever been a “chase movie” wherein everybody gets to camp down for the night so bloody often? There’s an overwhelming abundance of pace-killing sunrises and sunsets in this flick. Everything that should take one scene requires no less than three… and usually a couple more days, thanks to Zwick’s stumblebum direction. The only way to play this material is breathlessly, and Blood Diamond is full of pregnant, production-designed pauses, ones that do nothing but foreground the background, strangle the pace and call attention to how much money everybody spent. I feel like there’s some sort of essay to be written comparing DiCaprio’s exits from The Departed and Blood Diamond -- one extolling the virtues of efficiency, and how much more can be accomplished with fewer over-emotive Oscar clips.
As for why Stephen Collins and Michael Sheen dominate the third act of an ostensible jungle adventure in their Senate hearings, I have no explanation, other than the ugly truth that Zwick wants to give us an easily vanquished white-guy villain, thereby shortchanging the serious issues he wasted a lot of our time trying to address in the first place. Blood Diamond lacks the honesty to be an action picture and the guts to be a social drama. Like most of Zwick’s work it is stuck merely in-between, infuriating to everybody.
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AD: Switching tracks completely from the dismemberment fun of the last two films is The Holiday, the latest exercise in real estate porn from Nancy Meyers who inexplicably has emerged as the most commercially successful female director in history after 2000’s Mel Gibson telepathy-film What Women Want and 2003’s Something’s Gotta Give, which is founded on the even more improbable scenario of Diane Keaton being lusted after by both Jack Nicholson and Keanu Reeves. I give Meyers credit for tapping into a zeitgeist and creating a formula that's a proven earner: of petulant, career-oriented women who stomp around their palatial McMansions working themselves into screaming fits over the immature men in their lives that’s a proven earner.
The film is, of course, quite awful even by the lax standards of the “commercial chick flick” genre wherein seemingly intelligent, cultured and affluent individuals debase themselves through a series of pratfalls and forced whimsy in their quest to get that elusive groove back (apparently this is a set-up which is no longer mono-gender exclusive, as Russell Crowe and Ridley Scott more or less made half this film earlier in 2006 as A Good Year). What’s ultimately so frustrating about The Holiday though is how close-minded the film is about the treatment of its two female leads.
Cameron Diaz’s Amanda, who with her pinched, cruel-face and Barbie-doll physique has grown to embody everything I hate about my adopted home, flies off to storybook England for several rounds of earth-shaking sex with Jude Law’s soulful widower. Meanwhile, Kate Winslet, whose beauty is both undeniably physical but also seems to just emanate from deep inside of her, is stuck babysitting the old codger next door (Eli Wallach, stealing most of his best lines from Billy Wilder’s memoirs) and collecting woo from a cherubic-looking Jack Black (dialed down, but still nowhere near as charming as both he and the film seem to think he is). While the “Hollywood beauty” spends two hours shagging by the fire and moping about how on earth she, a self-made millionaire, can sustain a long-distance relationship (my god, what chance to the rest of us have?), Kate spends the film watching DVDs and pining for Rufus Sewell (of all the indignities…) who remains emotionally unavailable across the pond. I was going to say that I finally want to see a film that lets Kate get some action while the dull, statuesque beauty goes wanting, but I realized Little Children already filled that void.
The Holiday also has this nasty little habit of underlining its own prefab nature. Diaz’s character is the owner of a trailer company, allowing the film to give us frequent surrealist asides to illustrate whatever saccharine Nora Ephron-esque film predicament the character has gotten herself into, complete with baritone voice-over accompaniment (“Amanda had it all… the perfect job, a great guy, until…”), which is cute until you realize that’s how this very film is being marketed. It was also unwise to set one of the film’s key emotional arcs against the evolution of one of those noxious, ivory-tickling underscores; I spent the second half of the film mentally checking-out every time Hans Zimmer’s orchestral kicked in, unable to shake how boldfaced manipulative whenever it introduced the heroines’ themes.
Clearly you and I are not the target for this film, nor are we likely susceptible to its “charms.” But a thought did occur to me as I watched the film that at least allowed me to temporarily appreciate it. With its emphasis on slick cars, art décor, designer clothes, expensive baubles and career-oriented protagonists who aren’t emotionally suited to relationships, isn’t it fair to see these films as basically Michael Mann movies made for women? I know this place is absolutely filled with people tripping over one another to conjure up academic defenses of Miami Vice, but is there really a huge difference between Mann fetishizing a couple of go-fast boats and a jet plane swooping across the skyline and Kate Winslet running around her new home as the camera lingers on work-out equipment, home entertainment centers and swimming pools? Is the film’s series of “you go girl” moments really that different from Tubbs and Crockett smoldering in slow motion or, for that matter, your favorite medulla oblongata joke of the year? I know I’m courting blasphemy here, but at least the next time I get a dead-eyed stare from a woman after telling her how much I like Heat I’ll be able to empathize. A little.
SB: It’s an interesting notion, but you seem to be conveniently forgetting that Mann’s characters, for all their awesome hardware, in film after film, come off as fundamentally empty and miserable people, searching in vain for a deeper connection that often dooms them. Meyers, in the other hand, seems to genuinely believe in this “better living through rad architecture” philosophy, and I even found myself at a party the other night with a young lady who was asserting adamantly – though she conceded openly that Myers has no idea how to write recognizable human beings – that she still goes to all her movies on opening weekend, just to gawk at the pretty houses.
Like you, I find no point of entry here. Maybe this is just another case of a movie landing outside our wheelhouse, but I found it excruciating and endless. Whatever did happen to Cameron Diaz? Once such a bright spot -- such a goofy and endearing gangly-limbed comedienne-- she’s so antic and overwrought here, laboring so obviously in the service of such simple physical sight-gags, this simply cannot be the same woman from There’s Something About Mary. Years in Hollywood take their toll, I guess. What an awful, plasticine monster!
And no, despite your baiting I refuse to indulge in my typical Kate Winslet drooling, other than to admit that her grounded, glowing presence is the only thing that kept me from committing suicide during this egregiously overlong (131 minutes!) flick. It is only in the cruel crucible of Hollywood that a wowza sex goddess like Winslet would get stuck in a chaste romance with the eye-rolling, scenery-chewing Jack Black – an emotionally stunted improv comic incapable of even feigning the slightest bit of sincerity. (Really Jack, why don’t you bulge your eyeballs out really wide and say something retarded in a high-pitched sing-song voice for like the eight-hundredth time, because sooner or later it might someday become amusing.)
Finally, I do take issue with your notion that it would be remotely outlandish for Diane Keaton to be lusted after by both Jack Nicholson and Keanu Reeves. Maybe it’s just because I grew up on Annie Hall and Looking For Mr. Goodbar, but buddy, I think everybody should be lusting after Diane Keaton.
Friday, December 15, 2006
Navel Gazing with Burns and Dignan: Apocalypto, Blood Diamond and The Holiday
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well done gentlemen
I quite enjoyed that. Encore.
Indeed.
Hopefully without opening a can of worms, does making an action movie about Jesus Christ ennoble the action genre? Or does it reduce the Son of God by turning him into a stock genre character?
Mr. Burns: Maybe it’s just because I grew up on Annie Hall and Looking For Mr. Goodbar, but buddy, I think everybody should be lusting after Diane Keaton.
Diane Keaton was about as sexy as Moms Mabley in Mr. Goodbar, and her wardrobe in Annie Hall made her look like a drag queen in dire need of Queer Eye. I did think she looked pretty good in Something's Gotta Give, though. And she was kinda hot in Love and Death. And those makeup commercials. You just picked shitty Keaton flicks, Mr. Burns!
I'm not going to take the bait and gripe about how misguided and uninteresting I found A-crock-a-shit-o (It's Braveheart...the colorized version!); I'll leave you fanboys to drool over it by yourselves. I just hope a lot of people lose money at Indian casinos this weekend!
jeffmcm: does making an action movie about Jesus Christ ennoble the action genre? Or does it reduce the Son of God by turning him into a stock genre character?
They have action figures of Jesus (and damn, He's buff as hell! Does He hit the weights, or does He just touch His biceps and BAM?!) so why not an action movie about the Son of God?
I didn't consider de Lawd an action movie stock genre character in The Passion. If memory serves me, and I'm trying NOT to remember, Jesus spent the entire movie getting His ass whipped. De Lawd didn't turn into a vengeful Charles Bronson in the third act, so there's no way He could be a stock genre character...at least not in the action genre.
Now, the teenage movie genre is where you'd find Caviezel's take on my Lord and Savior: The Passion turns the Son of God into Chris Makepeace in My Bodyguard.
And believe it or not: I was raised Baptist. I'm just waiting for the lightning to hit me...(holds up umbrella)
I guess I don't have quite the senior citizen fetish you gents have, but to each their own I say.
Andrew notes: "...DiCaprio (who between this and The Departed is having a banner year, giving performances better than the film they’re featured in)"
I'm surprised everyone let this slip by without a comment. While I'll grant you that diCaprio is quite good in both films, and clearly better than the film Zwick asks him to front, I'm gonna hafta grab Scorsese's back on this one. The Departed is currently my favourite theatrical release of the year, so while I'm happy to give LDC his props (particularly since I've been kinda mean to him in his past MS efforts), I cannot abide a slagging of The Departed, Scorsese's best film in, like, forever.
As for Blood Diamond, I was completely engrossed by Djimon's character's story, but everytime they yanked us back into the world of the white characters I had to stifle a yawn. Hounsou a powerful presence, and completely capable of carrying this film by himself, but it seems that Zwick's achilles heel continues to be his subtextually racist insistence on including Reforming White Characters as mediators to allow us an entrance into the story.
Dan:
I was fairly hands-off at the House back in early October and I don't remember much Departed discussion in general, so this may come as a revelation, but I thought The Departed was the biggest sham of the year. Not a bad film per say, just one were people willingly turned a blind eye to how bland and soulless it was and how little interest its filmmaker had in the material just because it was a flashy knock-off of his earlier much vaunted work. It took everything that was mediocre about Infernal Affairs namely the plot (which only feels more contrived when you consider both Leo and Matt are about 10 years to young for the plot to realistically work) and the lazy delivery of shit-loads of exposition in large indecipherable gulps and tossed out all the insane, Hitchcockian set-pieces and any sense of urgency (hey remember when these police procedural/genre films were under two and a half hours? That was awesome.)
Throwing “Gimme Shelter” on the soundtrack is Scorsese simply priming our collective consciousness, forcing us to connect dots between his latest paycheck gig and the films where he actually gave a shit about his characters. Gangs of New York and Bringing out the Dead and the dozens of other flawed yet still unmistakably unique and fascinating film that The Departed is supposedly a huge improvement upon, are at least of a consistent mindset and tone, and more specifically don’t revolve around one of the biggest movie stars in the world shrugging off direction so he can literally wank off on screen. When did Scorsese start letting his actors walk all over him? When did plot and character give way to whatever Marlon Nicholson was feeling on that particular day? Help me out here, Hendry?
I remember sitting in the theater feeling enormously depressed as I watched the film I’d been told was Scorsese’s “return to form” (anyone who’s seen his Dylan doc can attest, the man has no problem finding his way back to said form) when in fact I was watching the great sell-out of 2006. Hey I like the Stones and hearing “fuck” a lot too, but that’s not what makes a Scorsese film and bearing witness to the enormous disconnect between the filmmaker’s enormous formal talents and his demonstrative boredom with how low he’d debased himself (“and then this guy gets killed, and then this guy, and then this guy by that guy you all forgot was in the movie…”) was downright dispiriting. The more I heard comparisons to Goodfellas the more I realized how few people fundamentally understood what made that film great.
Yeah I hijacked a thread. So what? It’s my thread.
JJ says:
Bravo, Dignan!!!!
I liked the Departed a lot more then you did as a movie, but I could'nt agree more with your sentiments about the public's reaction to it.
The Departed is not a great Martin Scorcese movie. It is not his best film since Goodfellas. It is more Scorcese-work-for-hire (not, in my opinion, a bad thing), it's just, as you said, East-Coast-Gangster-movie-"Fuck you, you fuckin' faggot motherfucker"-guys-getting-their-heads-blown-off-Gimmie Shelter-work for hire.
Since Goodfellas, Scorcese has made maybe the best documentary about American cinema ever. (Weep, Richard Schickel.) He's made maybe the only documentary about Italian cinema. He's made one of the greatest rock 'n roll docs ever. He's done The Age Of Innocence, which is an incredibly tough movie, as uncomprimising and relentless as Raging Bull, a movie about having to live with agonizing regrets every day FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. He's made Kundun, which I think is a masterpeice, one of his best films, and even if it had failed he should still be respected for trying something so totally unlike his earlier work. He's done Bringing Out The Dead, which is pure vintage Scorcese: a seedy New York milieu, a tortured protagonist, a rock'n roll soundtrack. He's made Gangs and The Aviater, flawed films that were still more interesting then most anything else that came out at the time. And if you go back and look at his earlier, pre-Goodfellas work, you realize that the people lauding The Departed are basically reducing his filmography to roughly five films: Goodfellas, Mean Streets, Casino and I suppose Raging Bull and Taxi Driver, although Taxi Driver does'nt have the rock 'n roll soundtrack and there's no Mafioso except the guys Sport works for, and Raging Bull is more a sports movie; so I guess it's actually just Goodfellas, Mean Streets and Casino, and Casino is so much a carbon copy of Goodfellas that'd probably be just Goodfellas and Mean Streets. Which cuts out The Color Of Money, After Hours, The Last Waltz, ItalianAmerican, Woodstock, New York, New York and Last Temptation. None of which are exactly gangster movies.
I enjoyed The Departed. It has all the style and violence and flash of Goodfellas. It does'nt have one bit of the soul; it is'nt from Scorcese's heart, something that drove him, as he says in Dreams, "like a steam engine", until he set down forever a story that needed to be told. To laud it in the same breath as Goodfellas suggests a very shallow, surface appreciation of that film. I have a sneaky feeling that many of the people singing hosannas for the return of Scorcese to form are the same ones who really, really dig Guy Ritchie.
Hmm, this really has nothing to do with the Navel Gazing column, does it? Okay: Apocalypto, very cool epic fever dream. The Mayan metropolis is what I hoped Peter Jackson's vision of Morder would be like. And not as violent as we've been led to beleive, I mean, I was expecting something as tasteless as like, Cannibal Holocaust with 70's Dawn Of The Dead levels of gore.
Blood Diamond: Sucks, sucks sucks. Talk about the movie that really resorts to 80's action cliches. Damn you, Sean, for cursing me with dreams of how cool '82 vintage Walter Hill (or John Milius, or even early Oliver Stone) could've done this. Jennifer, for god's sake, stop exercising and get your breasts back. Just the cover of the Career Opportunities DVD makes me weep now for what has been lost.
The Holiday: I would rather jump off a bridge then pay money to see this movie. Only Nancy Meyers could cast Kate Winslet in the Melanie Lynskey part.
AD: I guess I don't have quite the senior citizen fetish you gents have, but to each their own I say.
You'll never know the joy of an older woman. Especially a rich old woman.
AD: Yeah I hijacked a thread. So what? It’s my thread.
It's your thread, and you'll cry if you want to!
Regarding your Departed comments, I am expecting Sean Burns to show up here any minute now with a bazooka, clearing the way for a new season of the Sean Burns and Odie show.
But, not so fast, John Kerry! Mr. Burns might point that bazooka at both of us; I'm in agreement with much of what you say on The Departed, though I think I liked it more than you did. The critics are falling all over it because, unlike Gangs and The Aviator, Marty doesn't have his head up Oscar's ass this time. Granted, he crafted a hollow imitation of his finer works, and he is certainly slumming, but it has more life and vitality than any movie he's done in years.
And I liked Marlon Jack just fine.
Dan: Zwick's achilles heel continues to be his subtextually racist insistence on including Reforming White Characters as mediators to allow us an entrance into the story.
He does that a lot, doesn't he? But you can't blame him for creating that phenomenon (you CAN blame him for the horror that is thirtysomething though). Hollywood thinks that White America is too (pick one or more: stupid, racist, uninterested) to follow a minority character and see his or her cultural point of view, something that existed well before Zwick started directing.
Sorry Odie, but I'm afraid I left my bazooka in my other pants.
I thought Andrew and I were gonna wait 'till year's end to rehash our DEPARTED pissing contest, but I think what's happening here is we're confusing the annoying mass critical sound-byte reaction with the film itself.
(And, if I may generalize once more, mass critical reaction is always annoying. The almost complete absence of CHILDREN OF MEN, Alfonso Cuaron and especially Emmanuel Lubezski from the establishment's annual awards handouts is pretty gobsmacking to me. It's all good and well that everybody wants to hurl hosannas at THE QUEEN, which is a perfectly fine movie but is also basically a filmed play. Whereas during certain parts of CHILDREN OF MEN I felt like I was watching somebody re-writing the laws of cinema... not to mention physics.)
Even a die-hard Marty Fanboy like myself would never mistake THE DEPARTED for top-tier Scorsese. As J.J. says - it's a work for hire.
But goddamnit if it isn't also the most fun I've had in ages, and the hardest I've laughed at any movie this year that wasn't about the misadventures of an Anti-Semitic foreign journalist.
All this "best since GOODFELLAS" talk rankles me too, because by my count Marty's made at least three masterpieces since then. (THE AGE OF INNOCENCE, GANGS OF NEW YORK -- yeah, I know it's got plenty of problems but I still don't give a shit -- and NO DIRECTION HOME.)
THE DEPARTED is a terrific potboiler carried off with a cocky sneer and swagger -- if the film is really about anything, then it's all about how much fucking fun it is to curse wicked loud in an outrageous Boston accent. (A hobby of mine, actually...cohksuckahs!)
But really, what's so wrong with that? Maybe I'm too much from the Pauline Kael "kiss kiss bang bang" school, but when a flick has this much snap, crackle and pop - I'm not going to complain about the lack of nutritional value.
In other words, it's one of those movies I tend to rely on Matt to make me feel guilty for liking so much. But I still saw it four times, anyway.
Dignan: I guess I don't have quite the senior citizen fetish you gents have, but to each their own I say.
Don't you think there's something beautiful about a woman in Hollywood who has allowed herself to age naturally, instead of carving and Botoxing her face into a motionless, Jessica Lange-ian Death Mask?
(Didn't you see the "Bad Face-Lift Pageant" when Sharon met Demi in BOBBY? I thought for a moment I was watching BRAZIL.)
Also, Odie, we're both wrong - Keaton was hottest in SLEEPER. I think I've secretly always been longing for a woman who could do the "Checking The Cell-Structure" dance with me.
jeffmcm: does making an action movie about Jesus Christ ennoble the action genre? Or does it reduce the Son of God by turning him into a stock genre character?
Well, I said he used action movie techniques to get a rise out of the audience and work us over. (Mr. Henderson is indeed correct, as at no point does the Son of Man go all motherfucking Charlie Bronson on anybody.)
At the risk of getting into all this business again, obviously Gibson was preaching, and it seemed to me he made a very conscious decision to veer away from the "hippie Jesus" stereotypes and portray His suffering in the language that perhaps only the bloddiest blockbuster movie star of all time would so innately understand - playing directly to an audience for whom "turning the other cheek" is usually something that "pussies" do.
Whether or not he succeeded... well, one thing I've learned over these past couple years is that your personal mileage is gonna vary.
I'm all hands on deck behind The Departed. It's nothing new, no, but everything works far better than in many a movie out now. It's not my favorite movie of the year but I thought Leo was pretty darned awesome. The real shame is Vera Farmiga won't get any props: she's the real deal. And I finally saw Infernal Affairs and sure it was clever and there were a pair of scenes that Departed didn't have but it really didn't work as well, I don't think, despite Tony Leung being, simply, THE SHIT.
Hey, guys--on topic: You know my thoughts on Apocalypto (the review is linked in the text of your column). Blood Diamond was tedious, and think Sean's neither-fish-nor-fowl criticism pretty much nails it. I'm at least glad that Zwick hammered on the futility and ugliness of war; in his other pictures involving war (The Last Samurai, Glory, Courage Under Fire) he takes a quaint, almost 17th century novelist's view of war, treating it as a morally neutral thing to test oneself against, and that disgusts me. It's not just willfully naive, it's mind-warping for young viewers. That said, I liked it a hell of a lot more than Steven Soderbergh's The Good German, which depressed me beyond all measure. Sordid and amateurish; the supposedly period-homage black and white photography was anachronistic, even crappy in places, and the "modern" language and sexuality was crude and simplistic. And what, if anything, was the point? Zwick isn't as cool as Soderbergh, but at least when you see one of his movies you have a sense of what he wants to say and a sense of urgency and passion in saying it.
As for The Departed, guys, Blogger doesn't have enough memory to hold my screed on how much I disliked that movie. It was like Scorsese, who for years had been pining after Oscar like a street corner girl putting on airs, suddenly did a 180 and said, "Well, that didn't work, so fuck it -- maybe what you people want is a straight-up whore." Dignan's right -- The Departed isn't what Scorsese really represents (attraction-repulsion, passion-coolness, modernity-classicism, momentum-intertia, forcefulness-reflection and all those other dichotomies), it's what people have decided he represents (guys smoking cigarettes and saying "fuck" a lot and occasionally betraying and/or whacking people). It's the most superficial movie he's ever made, bar none. Yes, it moves, and it has some nasty, exciting bits, and parts of it are quite funny (any scene with Alec Baldwin). But it's the first Scorsese movie where I felt he had no particular opinion on anything he was showing me. He was like a short order cook making somebody a corned beef sandwich when he really wanted to be making timpano. Cape Fear was work for hire, a bid for box office success just like The Departed, but Scorsese hated having to make it, and he took out his resentment on the audience, and the result was a movie that brutalized the viewer and went way, way further than you expected -- practically an assault, directed at people who think Hannibal Lecter is cool and funny. He had a low opinion of popular taste, as demonstrated in the scene where Max Cady laughs his ass off at Problem Child 2. Now he's capitulated. The Departed doesn't feel like a Scorsese movie to me, but a Scorsese flavored crime thriller. I know he needs a hit to keep making his gigantic labors of love, but if he was gonna do some make-work, I wish it had been something that didn't embrace the most reductive perception of his career quite so enthusiastically.
SB: Marty's made at least three masterpieces since then. (THE AGE OF INNOCENCE, GANGS OF NEW YORK -- yeah, I know it's got plenty of problems but I still don't give a shit -- and NO DIRECTION HOME.)
I'm with you on The Age of Innocence, the only Marty movie that mentions my hometown. But Gangs, like The Aviator and Casino is only a masterpiece for its first hour. Ashamedly, I have not seen No Direction Home. (Is that the movie where Bob Dylan comes to a party at Matt's house and...wait, this belongs on that When Titles Collide Thread...my bad! :) )
SB: Don't you think there's something beautiful about a woman in Hollywood who has allowed herself to age naturally, instead of carving and Botoxing her face into a motionless, Jessica Lange-ian Death Mask?
Don't you mean a "Faye Dunaway-ian Death Mask?" I swear, Faye looks like she went to Nip/Tuck and said "I want the deer eternally caught in headlights look."
SB: Also, Odie, we're both wrong - Keaton was hottest in SLEEPER.
How could I forget?! Two hours in the Orgasmatron for me!
Blood Diamond is on tap for me today after Dreamgirls and no, I didn't pay the $25 for the Ziegfeld ticket; I'm being treated, which, coincidentally, is how I saw it on Broadway 24 years ago. If I pay $25 for a movie ticket, the concession stand guy better ask "Do you want some Beyonce on your popcorn?"
Back on topic: I was at the movies in Newport, Kentucky a few weeks ago, and the guy on line in front of us looked miserable. As he got closer to the ticket window, his appearance got gloomier and gloomier. At the ticket window, I heard his girlfriend say "Two for The Holiday. The guy turned around and looked at me. "Help me," his eyes pleaded. "Please help me." "At least you'll get some afterwards," my face reassured him. "I'll pray for you."
I heard that Taco Bell, home of the E. Coli Chalupa, is going to have a marketing tie in with Apocalypto. (Remember, they're the only chain who will do R-rated movie tie-ins.) I wonder if they'll call it "Atacolypto" and if they'll have action figurines like a jaguar that eats the face off another action figure.
MZS: It's not just willfully naive, it's mind-warping for young viewers.
Even though you're talking about Zwick here, that one sentence sums up my feelings on Apocalypto.
MZS: "Well, that didn't work, so fuck it -- maybe what you people want is a straight-up whore."
Congratulations Marty! You finally figured out how to win an Oscar!
MZS: But it's the first Scorsese movie where I felt he had no particular opinion on anything he was showing me.
Do you think it's because he has such disdain for remakes? And I disagree with you: Cape Fear is far more superficial and worse than this.
MZS: I wish it had been something that didn't embrace the most reductive perception of his career quite so enthusiastically.
Congratulations, Marty! You finally figured out how to win an Oscar!
Odie: Although you obviously didn't get this impression from the movie, what I loved about Apocalypto -- the first half, mainly -- was the sense of inevitable, tragic weight attached to all the violence. It was truly horrific -- not just the acts themselves, but the sense of helplessness pervading those who were trapped in that situation. There's more authentic empathy in five minutes of Apocalypto's first hour than in almost any supposedly more serious Oscar-baiting movie about war or suffering. Then it becomes, as Sean says, Werner Herzog's Rambo V.
As for Cape Fear, what I mean is, I got a sense of Scorsese the man behind those images -- an opinion was being expressed in how he approached that hackwork, and the hostility was bracing and not like anything I'd seen from him before. No such energy in The Departed. It had velocity, but so does a Go Kart.
I love Age of Innocence, too, and it is a far more layered and complex movie than people give it the credit for I think. You would think it is just about lovers thwarted by circumstances and society but at the end of that movie, it actually moves away from the Day-Lewis character thinking about what could've been and moves toward his respect and sympathy toward his wife, upon being told by son that she knew everything about his "flings" and did everything to keep the family together (that's why he doesn't meet the Michelle Pfeiffer character at the end, I think). It reminds me a little of the end of The New World, too, that way, because I think that movie was actually saying John Rolfe's love is a more profound one.
A great and very underrated movie-I put it (far) above Goodfellas and besides Raging Bull.
Edith Wharton may have done some of the heavy lifting in that department.
MZS: It had velocity, but so does a Go Kart.
That's awesome. I told you, man. I've been waiting months for you to make me feel guilty about this one.
Still, any movie with a moment like Alec Baldwin's exhaled in one breath: "You-wanna-have-a-cigarette-let's-go-have-a-cigarette-wait-a-minute-you-don't-smoke-do you-what-are-you-some-kinda-health-nut-or-something-hey-go-fuck-yourself." automatically makes my ten-best list.
Baldwin is a national treasure. Did anybody see the subplot on 30 ROCK last week about his long-distance relationship with Condoleeza Rice? I almost choked at that throwaway bit with him on a cell-phone: "No darling, I didn't say 'braces,' I said 'bonding'!"
Re: GOOD GERMAN And what, if anything, was the point?
I'm just spitballing here, but my take is that Soderbergh was trying to play around with the dissonace between our voluptous, over-stylized movie memories and the grittier, uglier realties of the actual era. Anyhow, that's the only excuse I can make for the overwrought profanity, seamy sexual content and relentlessly downbeat air.
Not that I think he did anything especially productive with said dissonance but it made a bit more sense to me than some of his experimental wanks (cough, BUBBLE.)
I got a kick out of the formalism (I'm a sucker for rear-projection process shots and badly-printed opticals.) But yeah, on the whole it was basically just kind of unpleasant.
Mark, I'm so with you on AGE OF INNOCENCE being dreadfully underrated.
I had a bit of a different take on the ending though (which reduces me to a quivering wreck every time I see it.)
I always felt like Archer never went upstairs because in his mind over the years, the Countess had blossomed out of all proportion and sense into this sort of unattainable mythical figure - and if he had simply met up with her again it would bring the whole fantasy he'd based his life around crashing back down to drab old reality
That's why I think there's the golden-hued shot of Pfeiffer melted into the sun's refection off the window, and his cryptic: "Just say I'm old fashioned" explanation.
Also, how amazing are those birds that fly away just as Lewis exits the frame in the final shot? We're talking phenomenal avian choreography here.
Sars: Edith Wharton may have done some of the heavy lifting in that department.
Yes, but on the other hand Old Edie is a very easy writer for a filmmaker to fuck up. Ever see John Madden's take on ETHAN FROME? I was cheering for Liam Neeson and Patricia Arquette to just go sledding already!
I know it's probably heresy to go here, but I'm not a big fan of Goodfellas. Liotta's a good actor, and he's really become one helluva fine screen presence, but deNiro looks tired and bored in much of the film. The whole thing just feels too bloody suburban; I really didn't give a shit about most of these putzes.
In The Departed, at least, we're back on the streets, with working class stiffs and scrappy bastards trying to get a foothold in a hostile world. It's not a great Scorsese film, I'll grant you that (too much emphasis on plot exposition being a particularly annoying flaw), but it's still a damned exciting one graced by some great performances. Obviously diCaprio and Nicholson shone, and yes, Alec Baldwin was great, but shit, what about Marky Mark? He cracked me up every second he was on screen.
Hollow? Shallow? I dunno, I found these folks plenty complex and conflicted, and I had no problem investing in their various fates.
Sean: Your reading really is the correct reading of the ending of The Age of Innocence. That's clearly what the book intends because I remember that he thinks in the book, "she's more real in his mind" or something like that.
Yet I just like the line in the movie (I think that's in the book too) that says someone pitied him from afar and it moved him indescribably that it was his wife whom he never suspected- or something to that effect.
In any case-again, a great movie.
Nice, my Departed holy hand grenade worked.
Sean said: I thought Andrew and I were gonna wait 'till year's end to rehash our DEPARTED pissing contest
Man, between this VICE and lots not forget all the films I liked that you hated (THANK YOU FOR SMOKING, MARIE ANTOINETTE) we’d be sitting there for hours email screaming at each other circa December 31st. Better to let some of the air out of the balloon now, right?
But goddamnit if it isn't also the most fun I've had in ages, and the hardest I've laughed at any movie this year that wasn't about the misadventures of an Anti-Semitic foreign journalist.
That’s a valid point, and one I know a great many people share. Hell, even my parents, who see on average like 3.2 films a year came out raving from THE DEPARTED saying it was the most fun they’d had in a movie in years. The problem is you don’t get to be arguably the greatest living filmmaker in the world by simply taking half a dozen of your earlier better films, dumping them into a blender and then skimming out all that pesky substance sitting on the top. Scorsese’s better than this and one only needs to look at what his old buddy Spielberg has been up to for the past few years to get a sense of what happens when a filmmaker is making audience-geared film while their heart is still in it (when it wasn’t endlessly depressing, how exhilarating was Munich?) Don’t we have Joe Carnahan around to make these empty shoot-em-up films instead?
Dan said:
I know it's probably heresy to go here, but I'm not a big fan of Goodfellas. and then he said The whole thing just feels too bloody suburban
That’s more or less the point and it’s the foundation that “The Sopranos” has since been built upon. Being a gangster can be every bit as blue color and tedious as being the cable guy or a construction worker or a dock worker. The film uses the work-a-day nature and rationalizing (“our husbands were out busting their asses to make an extra buck while other guys were standing around looking for handouts”) to place you alongside people who were thieves and murders, creating a sense of kinship that’s then turned against you once everything goes to shit. There’s an ethical code to the film that’s sorely missing from The Departed where we might as well be watching video game characters who are slaves to the machinations of the plot. There’s a lot of clever stuff around the margins (I for one would pay to see the sequel where Walberg and Baldwin sit in a room for 2 hours making homophobic jabs at one another to disguise their love for one another) but aside from the contact high, is there really anything to take away from the film? Or to think about 3 months removed from its release?
True, but turns out that the suburbs and suburbanite gangsters can be pretty boring (for me.) Since the first coupla seasons passed by, I have found The Sopranos only intermittently entertaining as well.
Andrew, I don't think Scorsese set out to make a movie with all the substance you expected. It's Marty for Dummies, and that had to be Scorsese's intention. Matt said that Scorsese resented being the director for hire on Cape Fear, so he took that resentment out on the audience, which explains why Cape Fear is a sour-grapes flavored piece of garbage (for the same directorial mistake, see DePalma's The Black Dahlia).
With The Departed, it felt like he was having fun with being the director for hire, and he OBVIOUSLY doesn't want you to take it seriously. If he had, he would have put the reigns on Marlon Jack instead of letting him chew on the film like Nicolas Cage possessed by both Dick Burton and Larry Olivier. After all, and these are your words, not mine, "the greatest living filmmaker in the world" should be able to direct a fucking actor. If he wanted About Schmidt Jack, he would have asked for him.
It's not Marty's best work, but it felt like liberation from the drooling Oscar hunter Scorsese had become. Maybe that's why I enjoyed myself. Yes, Marty is slumming. It's better than him trying to be the low-rent David Lean who showed up to direct Kundun and The Aviator.
It sounds like you went into the movie expecting deepness it wasn't designed to provide, and like those refund-crazed people who make Sean Burns' job miserable, your sense of entitlement overrode your enjoyment of the movie. That, my dear friend, is your fault, not Marty's.
And I think, at the end of the year, you and Sean Burns should take on the roles of Alecky Alec and Marky Mark (respectively) in The Departed and have a go at all your disagreements. In honor of Weekend Update, you should say "Sean, you ignorant slut," and Sean could say some cuss words in a Bahston accent.
It's completely bizarre to hear people describe a movie where Jack Nicholson shoots a sobbing woman in the back of the head as "fun"?
This is what's considered fun now?
Thanks but no thanks.
"But you're not supposed to take it seriously."
Sorry...I prefer to take violence seriously. Good day.
And I think, at the end of the year, you and Sean Burns should take on the roles of Alecky Alec and Marky Mark (respectively) in The Departed and have a go at all your disagreements. In honor of Weekend Update, you should say "Sean, you ignorant slut," and Sean could say some cuss words in a Bahston accent.
You're going to have Burns play someone called "Dignam?" This one feels like an easy call, no? And just like in the film, we can both do the accent.
"Yes, but on the other hand Old Edie is a very easy writer for a filmmaker to fuck up. Ever see John Madden's take on ETHAN FROME?"
She seems easy to fuck up, but I think if the director understands and compensates for the inherent difficulty in translating her -- that the carefully embroidered, super-subtle "action" which takes up three pages of text will require only a 15-second tracking shot to execute visually -- it can work. I wasn't entirely on board with some aspects of AoI (the casting of Pfeiffer, who is too contemporary-looking; the voiceover), but Scorsese got close enough to the problem to win me over.
Ethan Frome is not typical of Wharton's longer fiction, really, but they teach it in schools because it's 1) short and 2) a little more obvious and on the nose than her other stuff. You'd think that would make it an easier film to pull off, so it's interesting that that one's the stinker (I loved Davies's House Of Mirth).
"Nice senior-thesis core dump." "Thanks!"
You're going to have Burns play someone called "Dignam?" This one feels like an easy call, no?
I'm also the older one, and I'm currently boasting an Alec-ky beer gut.
So flip your casting, Odie, you ignorant slut.
Count me in as a fan of Age of Innocence, Bring Out the Dead, Kundun, and what, no love for The Last Temptation of Christ?
As for The Aviator, think of it as a restless but intelligent epic take on leadership figures.
And if The Departed has to be about something (and why give Apocalypto a pass and not this one? And is it just me that felt that first hour in Gibson's latest pornfest is basically brown faces being assholes to other brownfaces?) then it's really about evolution in action.
No, I'll repeat what's been said so often here: it's not Scorsese's best, but Infernal Affairs wasn't all that either, and I'd take Scorsese's so-called work-for-hire over Gibson's obssessive wankfest anytime.
Noel: And is it just me that felt that first hour in Gibson's latest pornfest is basically brown faces being assholes to other brownfaces?
Actually, I learned that the Mayans didn't do anything but kill each other, and that they were a useless society. Those bastards at Chichen Itza lied to me!
Noel: what, no love for The Last
Temptation of Christ?
I think the crucifixion scene in Scorsese's movie is quite powerful, but the rest of it is a crashing bore. And Judas is NOT from Brooklyn, Marty.
Sean Burns: So flip your casting, Odie, you ignorant slut.
Ah, my fellow ignorant slut, I was merely trying some stunt casting, to prove that you guys can act! Stunt casting gets asses in the theater, and gets Golden Globe nominations for both of you!
Fine, Dignan can be Dignam, and you can get into a sleeping bag with Adam Sandler's canteen boy. "I'm sorry my beard is so scratchy, Canteen Boy," Alec once famously said on SNL, "but it gives good back rubs."
Judas is not from Brooklyn
No, but I thought Scorsese's conceit was that Palestine was Manhattan, with its mix of accents and ethnic types. A shrewder guess than Gibson's, who dunderheadedly assumed the Romans spoke Latin--unfortunately, since most soldiers in the army at the time were foreign conscripts and not actually from Rome or its immediate provinces, they'd have an easier time talking in Greek--the lingua franca of its day.
Actually, historically speaking, Scorsese's research on that film was impressive. Most archeologically accurate depiction of the period onscreen yet, far as I know (well, allowing for the accents, and as Gibson proved, sometimes talking in a dead language can be a dumber move than just using English). Plus I thought the filmmaking didn't suck.
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