by Odienator
The TV show Miami Vice is a relic of the 1980's, a weekly descent on a fancy speedboat into a pastel-colored Heart of Darkness full of sex, drugs and, worst of all, macho posturing. Filmmaker Michael Mann and series creator Anthony Yerkovich took NBC boss Brandon Tartikoff's description of "MTV Cops" and built a show around it; the title has become synonymous with Reagan-era excess. Mann's theatrical visuals were edited for maximum adrenaline; entire set-pieces played out as short films cut in sync to the songs of the era; the sense of stylistic overload was leavened only by fleeting references to current events.
When Vice became the latest in a line of TV shows scheduled for movie upgrades, it came attached to the show's master stylist. Back in the day, Mann's sole purpose was to bring an 80's movie into your home every week. Now, freed from the content restrictions of NBC censors, I expected to see what Vice might have looked like if HBO were doing TV series back then. Either Mann was going to give us a jolt of 80's nostalgia, reminding us why the show was so terrible yet compulsively watchable, or he was going to play it straight, upping the angst quotient and macho bullshit, muting the color scheme, and reminding us why you can't make a ho into a housewife.
Mann went with option number 2; Vice is a dismal affair that puts a serious face on everything that has become cliche since 1984. The series was a showcase for drug trading set to music--sort of a DEA version of Schoolhouse Rock. Guys wanted to look like Crockett and Tubbs, to drive their fast cars, wear their flashy clothes, and have their action-packed adventures. The remake puts a stop to all that wishing and hoping, despite a promising opening sequence. Mann and cinematographer Dion Beebe lead us through a visually compelling storytelling maze that ends in a gruesome suicide and even more gruesome murder. Mann lets the visuals tell the story, edited to a Jay-Z track, and we are pulled into the quick cuts and the limited view of events as seen by detectives Crockett (Colin Farrell) and Tubbs (Jamie Foxx). The situation becomes clear to us and the characters simultaneously, allowing us join their adrenaline rush.
This is where Mann excels. Where Bob Fosse edited to the dance, Mann edits to the music underscoring his glossy depictions of extreme violence. Unfortunately, Miami Vice is also a showcase for what Mann does worst. It's full of what is supposed to pass for plot and dialogue. The plot is a confusing tangle of extraneous characters and loose ends. The dialogue is so overdone and preposterous that, when the theater screening Vice suddenly lost sound in the dialogue speaker for 15 minutes, the movie actually made sense. The characters babble for interminably long stretches before Mann remembers he's making an action movie and shoots someone in the head. So many brains splatter all over the screen (more people are shot in the head than in The Proposition) that there weren't any left for the script. This is the last act of a Desperate Mann.
Foxx and Farrell look more inclined to kill each other than be partners--it's doubtful that either would trust the other with his life—and while Farrell brings the right amount of sleaze and weary angst to his otherwise mismanaged Crockett, Foxx glares unconvincingly at us from the screen. It doesn’t help that Foxx resembles R. Kelly with a nappy billy goat beard that looks stereotypically like Brillo. (The tough macho guy is a role Foxx needs to remove from his oeuvre. He makes a convincing artist or a man struggling with demons--as his Bundini Brown proved in Mann's earlier Ali--but he's no John Shaft.)
Crockett and Tubbs wade through an undercover drug scheme run by Arcangel de Jesus Montoya (Luis Tosar) and his right hand man, Jose Yero (John Ortiz). Along the way, they deal with some White supremacists who seem thrown in by Mann to offset how shoddily this film treats its minority characters. Mann usually fares well with minorities in his films and TV series, but Vice negates any good will he's accumulated by casting Naomie Harris and Gong Li as tough women who are reduced to helpless third-act victims, and a slew of Hispanics who all seem to be involved in drugs. If any of these characters had an arc of complexity, this sin might be forgivable. But they are all caricatures. Foxx's stable relationship with Harris is ignored in favor of Farrell's self-destructive, clumsy relationship with Gong, at least until those White supremacists show up. Though that plot wrinkle produces one hell of an exploding head, it's extraneous and sloppily handled.
Gong Li gets the bulk of Mann's laughable dialogue, and she deserves a refund from whomever taught her how to speak English. Gong, a fine actress in her Chinese films, becomes Super Bad "I Shall De-STWOY YOU!" Geisha Lady whenever she uses the Roman alphabet. Gong has been criticized for basically playing a victim/moll/geisha wannabe her entire career, but in Chinese she has a fiery presence that can't be extinguished. Here, she's supposed to be the rough-edged moll of Tosar, yet most of her performance consists of making bigger goo-goo eyes at Farrell than Pocahantas did. Her sex talk with Crockett ranks as the worst come on (or is it come in?) I've heard outside of porno. Mann ups the cruelty quotient by having her speak Spanish too. (She deserves two refunds.)
Comparisons with Collateral are inevitable, as Mann rehired his cinematographer and two actors from that film. But Collateral was superior. Jamie Foxx's Everyman taxi driver (and Cruise's hit man as well) personified a recurring theme in Mann's work: hard men whose professional excellence comes at the price of their souls. Vice's heroes attempt to continue the tradition, but
they don't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with Russell Crowe's Jeffrey Wigand from The Insider or James Caan's Frank in Thief. Barry Shabaka Henley had the finest moment in Collateral, so it is dismaying that his Lt. Castillo (so grandly brought to life on TV by Edward James Olmos) is given little to do but threaten to take away Crockett and Tubbs' badges. Where Olmos' sour magnetism intimidated both his underlings and the viewer, Henley isn't given the opportunity to feel superior to the two detectives.
Beebe's Collateral visuals put a steely gloss on Los Angeles, evoking the film's mood and serving as its entry point into urban fable. Beebe's work in Vice--shot, like Collateral, on high-definition video--is haphazard, switching stock for no good reason, and generally accomplishing little besides drawing attention to itself. For every line of visual poetry, there are countless lazy stanzas. If anything, Vice should be joyful to watch; inexplicably, though, Beebe makes Miami look darker than the Nostromo in Alien. The movie sticks to muted, gritty colors, treating the tropics as if it were the Pacific Northwest. The only splotches of bright color appear on people unfortunate enough to get bullet-sized headaches.
Vice disappoints because so many things Mann does wrong here were done right in his earlier work. Compare, for instance, the interaction between Joan Allen and Tom Noonan in Manhunter with Gong and Farrell, or Collateral's suspense level to Vice's; look, for that matter, at the complex minority characters in Last of the Mohicans and in Vice's TV incarnation. The movie version of Vice is instead a means to earn a quick buck from an audience which, for the most part, wasn't alive when series originally aired. In the mid-'80s, when I was the age of today's preferred opening weekend moviegoer, everybody wanted to be Crockett and/or Tubbs. Who would want to be them after seeing this movie? To paraphrase Addison DeWitt in All About Eve, they're maudlin, and full of self-pity, but they ain't magnificent.
Friday, July 28, 2006
Taking all the fun out of Vice
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Oh Odie, Odie, Odie...
I've only got a minute or two here, but I thought I'd throw in just a couple nitpicks to get the ball rolling...
(Beware Mild Spoilers)
-women who are reduced to helpless third-act victims?
Okay, but I seem to recall that the second Trudie is freed she kicks the crap out of the dead body of the guy who tied her up... and Gong pistol whips one of her agressors during the hostage exchange. Hardly trembling lotus blossoms.
And of course, the most bring-down-the-house bad-ass Dirty Harry, moment comes courtesy of Gina - who gets the good kill while Colin's stuck sitting around outside on lookout.
-Lt. Castillo... is given little to do but threaten to take away Crockett and Tubbs' badges.
I have seen the movie twice. This does not happen.
don't mean to be a prig, but you are so on top of everything else, just thought you'd like to get things perfectly correct: Gong Li's family name is "Gong" not "Li".
Anon: The Gong fix has been made--thanks for pointing it out.
Regarding "Vice," I haven't seen it yet, and of course I eventually will, but I'm dreading it. Mann's most perfectly realized film is "The Last of the Mohicans," and I have to think that it had something to do with the obligation to be faithful to well-known source material and the psychology of people from 1757. It's the only Mann film not set in the 20th or 21st century, which means it's the only one where he couldn't indulge his penchant for hepcat-existential dialogue (which I think he's mostly bad at) and turgid kitchen sink drama. "The Insider" contains many astonishingly vivid and moving sequences but is unfocused and peters out the longer it drags on. "Heat" might have been a great movie with tighter and less obvious domestic scenes, and somebody else in the Al Pacino part; he overacts so brazenly that it ruins the film's cool, reflective, nasty mood; I think De Niro acts him right off the screen, often without saying a word. I'm one of about five critics who really liked "Ali" -- which owes less to the standard boxing picture than to "Lawrence of Arabia," for its determination to let its main character retain a bit of mystery throughout. But "Collateral" felt like a comedown to me, and with its insistence on telling us, unironically, that Foxx's character really needed to spend some time with a vicious hitman to jump-start his own personal growth, I got the sinking feeling that not only was Mann buying this bullshit, on some level he'd always bought it.
Mann's an incredibly frustrating director. There is greatness in him, and sometimes he realizes it, but too often he trips over his own pomposity. That said, when I can't decide what to watch on DVD or laserdisc, the bank robbery sequence from "Heat" or Jeffrey Wigand's long drive to the courthouse in "The Insider" never fails to satisfy.
Matt: ...somebody else in the Al Pacino part; he overacts so brazenly that it ruins the film's cool, reflective, nasty mood; I think De Niro acts him right off the screen, often without saying a word.
I used to think Pacino was obnoxious with his "ferocious" performance but now I find myself watching HEAT to see him sizzle and pop against his reigned in partners--and De Niro's boiling, rubber band restaint, which is sublime, I agree. Still, it's really a joy, I think, to watch Pacino shake down his informant ("GIMME WHAT YOU GOT!") and his determination to save Natalie Portman helps sell those somewhat hamfisted scenes before the finale.
Mann's an incredibly frustrating director. There is greatness in him, and sometimes he realizes it, but too often he trips over his own pomposity.
Ha! Too true. I'd love to throw HEAT on a favorites list but it would have to be a favorite crime movies list, not a favorite all time list. I dig a lot of the meandering in his storytelling sometimes but it draws attention to itself too often to be as great as Mr Mann certainly thinks it all is. That climax to THIEF kind of nullifies all that's great that comes beforehand because he's so attached to his "cutting edge" music score and self righteous men who can't seem to decide how best to rationalize their crimes--and who, far too often, soliloquize unsufferably. But then again, for every scene like the one between Pacino and Diane Venora in the empty ballroom discussing their problems there's a scene like James Cann convincing Tuesday Weld he's the man to right the wrongs of her past to forge a beautiful future, which they never really get.
I can't wait to see MIAMI VICE even though I'll undoubtably be disappointed. I'm a sucker for those music montages he somehow pulls off and the first teaser with that unbelievably catchy (and simultaneously retarded) JayZ/Linkin Park song got me really really excited. It probably didn't hurt that I'd just seen THE NEW WORLD and was ready to forgive Colin Farrell everything.
Warning: "Thief" and "Heat" spoilers follow--
Ryland: I'm with you on pretty much everything you said, except, "That climax to THIEF kind of nullifies all that's great that comes beforehand because he's so attached to his "cutting edge" music score and self righteous men who can't seem to decide how best to rationalize their crimes."
What I like about the end of "Thief" is that there's no rationality to it at all; Frank destroys the outwardly "respectable" life he so carefully cultivated because bleak circumstances (the cops closing in, the death of his prison mentor, his betrayal by Robert Prosky's boss/father figure) have convinced him it was all illusory anyway, and that he might as well destroy it all himself and be free again. Free to do what? Walk off down the street and into a deeply uncertain future (most likely to more prison time, or death at the hands of the cops or other criminals).
The whole movie is an elaboration on De Niro's line from "Heat" about not having anything in your life that you're not prepared to walk away from in 30 seconds if the heat comes around the corner; that line's dramatic payoff comes when he detours from the flight that would take him away from the life (and with a beautiful girlfriend by his side), kills the snitch who sold him out and walks away from Amy Brenneman outside the hotel near the airport, sealing his fate.
This thug existentialism is a constant throughout Mann's career, and one of the aspects of his filmography that continues to fascinate me. Like I said in a comment above, it's starting to seem like he believes it; the sad/ironic undertone with which this notion was examined in "Thief" and "Manhunter" and parts of "Heat" gave way to the more conventional seize-the-day hitman/law abiding schmuck dynamic of "Collateral," a development that seriously worries me.
MZS: his penchant for hepcat-existential dialogue (which I think he's mostly bad at)
Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I can't get enough of that shit. My inner 12 year old boy is enthralled by the lack of contractions and gruff, staccato Mann-erisms. (I think he types with his balls.)
As soon as Farrell announces in VICE that "it is now eleven-forty-seven-o'clock and this is the hand we have been dealt," I was kicking my feet and squealing with idiotic delight.
Regarding Pacino in HEAT: Over some eight billion viewings it's blossomed into my favorite performance in the movie. First of all, it's delicious ham - I'm captivated by what he does with his hands -- they're never by his side.
Another highlight is the long rooftop soliloquy in which Al is painstakingly unwrapping a piece of gum. When he finishes his speech he pauses, opens his mouth to put in the piece of gum... and then just doesn't and walks out of the frame. I have no idea what that choice even means, but I find it spellbinding in the way some of Brando's weirdest flourishes are.
And remember, all his raspy-throated bellowing ("you can get killed walking your doggie!") seems to be saved for scenes when the character needs to intimidate somebody. (He's a little guy so he needs to make a lot of noise.) I think it's even kind of a joke, as when he asks Hank Azaria: "Ferocious, aren't I?"
Moments when he's with Venora, Portman or even the coffee shop scene with DeNiro, he's soft-spoken, almost serene.
There's an old rumor that Al's HEAT character was originally supposed to be a coke-head, and that sometime during editing Mann cut out all the shots of Al snorting lines. (There's still a glimpse of him wiping his nose on the way into a nightclub.)
Personally, I'm glad he got rid of that angle - it makes the character's erratic behavior way more interesting without it, but then again I know I'm kind of in the minority on this performance.
Also, I think MIAMI VICE is deeply flawed and still totally fucking awesome.
Ah yes, the triumphant return of the Sean Burns and Odie Show, aka "Odie Fiddles while sean burns"
SB: Okay, but I seem to recall that the second Trudie is freed she kicks the crap out of the dead body of the guy who tied her up
She's kicking a fucking dead guy who had previously made her a HELPLESS THIRD ACT VICTIM. She is kicking a fucking dead guy, something she does a lot of in her movie career. Next time I get into a fight with a dead guy, I'll whistle for ya, Naomie.
Gong pistol whips one of her agressors during the hostage exchange.
Yet she still needs to be rescued! And what she was REALLY pistol whipping was the English language.
I have seen the movie twice. This does not happen.
I'd tell you to go see it again, but that would seem like a positive endorsement of the movie. So Universal Pictures will sub for me, and tell you to go see it again ("pay for it," says Universal). When you do, you will note that there is a scene where the FBI guy gets pissed at C&T and wants to take them off the case. C&T demand to stay on, and Castillo looks torn about the decision. Finally, he gives that weary "I'll take your badge" look that they ALWAYS have the Black police superior do in movies, and he threatens "Don't fuck this up." I didn't need Mann's screenplay to tell me what the or else in that sentence was going to be. If they fucked up, he was gonna take their badges. Mann has every other cliche in this, why not that one?
MZS: But "Collateral" felt like a comedown to me, and with its insistence on telling us, unironically, that Foxx's character really needed to spend some time with a vicious hitman to jump-start his own personal growth
I liked Collateral more than you did, but I agree with you on Thief. One thing I liked about Jerry Maguire vs. Ray Charles was the reversal of the tired cliche for the "Black and White cookie" teams onscreen. Usually, the Black character is there to pull the stick out of the Man's ass (as opposed to putting his foot in it back in the cinematic days of the 70's) by schooling the White guy in the fine art of Soul(TM). This time, it was we who got schooled in finding our personal growth by doing one's job especially well--even if that job is busting caps in people's asses for payola.
SB: ("you can get killed walking your doggie!")
That has to go on the list of great Hollerin' Al lines, right up there with "I'm just gettin' warmed up!" and "They keep pullin' me back in!" and "Why in God's name did I make Revolution?!!"
Okay, nerd alert. Got back an hour ago. Gonna write something for my own blog but I'll say right now that I'm leaning towards Sean's take. Not that there are a lot of fuck ups but it's flawed for sure. Only, it's amazing, too. Amazing to behold. It's not the postcard beautiful of SUPERMAN RETURNS but some insane tactile experience. These new sound systems sure do help Mann pump up the violence. What the fuck kind of guns are those? Did you see dude's arm fly off? Holy hell. And honestly, some of the trademark Mann dialogue like the time/date/hand delt line was pretty silly sweet.
Also, I'm totally with Sean on Pacino in HEAT.
This thug existentialism is a constant throughout Mann's career, and one of the aspects of his filmography that continues to fascinate me.
No doubt.
The whole movie is an elaboration on De Niro's line from "Heat" about not having anything in your life that you're not prepared to walk away from in 30 seconds if the heat comes around the corner...
I've always thought of it as the rough draft for HEAT, actually. I guess that tips my hand. And while the climax is thrilling--Prosky deserves that gut shot--the last time I saw it I couldn't shake the soundtrack. (And I worry that may be the case with MIAMI VICE the movie, too, but that might stem from a general dislike of Mann's favored genre these days of lite heavy metal or whatever that Creed-sounding stuff is. I kinda dug it in COLLATERAL but not as much in this new one...)
Anyways, sweet discussion. Mann is sweet. I think these replies I've offered have been rather harsh on him and not completely honest with how much I like his movies. You guys are way more eloquent.
"She's got a...GREAT ASS!"
Talking about DeNiro's restraint in Heat, one scene I always remember is when he's at a store looking at some book and someone is coming through the aisle. Without looking up or to the side, DeNiro simply steps back to let him past. He's got his antennae out all the time and simply senses the presence of the person. Great touch.
Just saw MV this afternoon. Can't say it had much redeeming value. It held the interest, yes, but is that enough? A demolition derby holds the interest, too, but you don't learn much from it.
Frankly, I couldn't buy the Farrel/Gong Li romance. Not at all. Are these undercover slobs that naive about sex? Do you fall in "love" so instantly under those circumstances? Oh, please!!!
But I wouldn't have minded putting a slug between the eyes of that gum-chewing white supremacist. I hope he's just a great actor and a decent guy in real life because he sure comes across like a hateful bastard.
So, what to say? I think Mann has always been best at mood and atmosphere. Plot and dialogue, not so much. And this film was pretty spotty at creating a consistent atmosphere. I suppose "dread" would be what he was going for, but kept mucking it up with stuff like the romance.
And now this. Why is it that every time I see any film with parts in Cuba, it seems like such a happy, pleasant place? Buena Vista Social Club, for sure. And I recently watched Motorcycle Diaries, and the companion of Che Guevera in that film actually lives there. On the DVD extras, they interviewed him in Cuba, and, natch, seemed like quite a happy, pleasant person.
The scenes in Cuba in Miami Vice had the happiest, cleanest vibe of all. I wanna live there!
Also, you guys see the trailer for THE DEPARTED? I didn't see the HK movie it's based on but I gotta say Jack looks fucking deadly and now I'm eagerly anticipating. I didn't care for either GANGS or AVIATOR all that much and am hoping this will mark a return to form. (Cliched line, right?) I know that's a whole other post but it just came to mind.
tim: The scenes in Cuba in Miami Vice had the happiest, cleanest vibe of all. I wanna live there!
I know people who have been there, and they all came back raving about how beautiful it was. It's certainly a place I'd love to visit.
tim: Frankly, I couldn't buy the Farrel/Gong Li romance. Not at all. Are these undercover slobs that naive about sex?
The more I think about this movie, the more I realize that it feels written by a 12-year old boy--and not in a good Conan the Barbarian kind of way. It's immature about practically everything, including that dopey love story. Gong Li's last scene is a farce; Mann actually believes we bought into that bullshit.
RWK: What the fuck kind of guns are those? Did you see dude's arm fly off? Holy hell.
Now THIS is the audience for Miami Vice. I want to see this quote on a poster.
RWK: Also, you guys see the trailer for THE DEPARTED?
Yeah, and boy did this one let the air out of my tires. Nicholson looks just plain ridiculous (what is this, ANGER MANAGEMENT 2?) and I can't believe how awful the accents are. (Note to filmmakers: Not everybody from Boston sounds like Rob Morrow in QUIZ SHOW.)
I'm hoping this is just more of Warner's typically incompetent marketing and the movie will turn out to be the quick and dirty genre piece Marty needs so he can put his sad-sack Oscar-grubbing days behind him, but I'm no longer particularly optimistic.
If you want to see a great trailer - check out THE BLACK DAHLIA. Hot damn, that looks like some sleazy DePalma awesomeness!
Also, and this will probably negate any sound judgements I've ever made in the past, but the ROCKY BALBOA teaser kind of got me a little revved up. I'm such a mush, friggin nostalgic music cues work on me every time!
SB: Really? I thought of it because it looked like it could go the hammy route like Pacino's turn in HEAT (the reason I brought it up) or Jack's Joker performance. The accents were all over the map, yeah, but I guess I'm attracted to big name casts under a big name director.
But I'm even more attracted to Mia Kirshner. You're right: Hot Damn. That said, I'm not sure what to make of Josh Hartnett. And I'm certainly more intrigued by Hilary Swank than Scarlett Johansson. It's a great De Palma vehicle, for sure. I don't know if DAHLIA falls in this category but I think De Palma's best movies are his work for hire projects like UNTOUCHABLES so that's what I'm hoping for. (Btw: What did you think of FEMME FATALE? Worth seeing? Is Banderas horrible?)
odie: You didn't get a visceral thrill from that assasination? I mean, that's part of the point of these kinds of movies, right?
Ryland, You must drop everything you are doing and rent FEMME FATALE immediately. Like, before breakfast.
It is one of the happiest, horniest movies I have ever seen -- only DePalma could combine a Christ-like crucifixion/rebirth/redemption pose with a full-on Rebecca Rojmin beaver shot, and the great thing about BDP is you know he's absolutely sincere about the beauty of both.
Only a movie this surface-sleazy could get away with a deus ex machina in which God kills the bad guys with a fucking ray of sunshine. I'm totaly serious. See it now.
I do love Banderas dearly, and wish he popped up in more worthwhile projects. The guy is a terrific clown, thus perfect for the archetypal DePalma hero -- a schmuck who learns the hard way that he's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
Which is why I guess I have such faith in Hartnett. He went through kind of a rough patch being miscast in Jerry Bruckheimer epics, but the kid has a teflon, almost Zen thick-wittedness I find terribly amusing and effective in the right context.
He's magnificently vacant in VIRGIN SUICIDES (where he's doomed to grow up to be Michael Pare!), and in LUCKY NUMBER SLEVIN his droll detachment was the only thing that kept me interested while everybody else around him was tediously overacting.
But the kid's finest moment was his surfer-dude turn as a community-theater Stanley Kowalski in the underrated HOLLYWOOD HOMICIDE -- Hartnett's whiny, un-committed lowercase "stellaaahhh" is a gag I can't resist watching again every time the silly movie turns up on cable.
But getting back to MIAMI VICE for just a minute...
...regarding what Tim said about the romantic idyll in Cuba - in addition to the wonderful nutzoid fantasy of zipping off to Havana in a "Go-Fast Boat" for afternoon Mojitos, I think it's thematically interesting to stage the relationship we're constantly told "has no future" in a landscape that for all intents and purposes stopped sometme in the 1950's.
For a movie so obsessed with hyper-modern sleek technology, the vintage cars and aged architecture of the Cuba sequence provided what I thought was a pretty nifty visual contrast.
RWK: What the fuck kind of guns are those? Did you see dude's arm fly off? Holy hell.
I brought my cousin and some extended family to a screening on Thursday, and the highest compliment I heard all night was after the final dust-up, when my Uncle sighed out loud and said, "What a gunfight... woah."
I'm not gonna argue that there's very much going on here, but for a summer action movie with an admittedly thin plot it felt really fucking dangerous. Like it was actually movie about adults who curse and screw, and when the violence happens its swift and seriously scary.
A demolition derby, maybe? Mann's weakest film in decades? Certainly. But have you seen what else is out there right now?
SB:(Note to filmmakers: Not everybody from Boston sounds like Rob Morrow in QUIZ SHOW.)
Bah-ston accents and Southern accents are always overdone in the movies. That's what makes them fun!
For the record, you don't sound like Rob Morrow. For the further record, at least 5 people in California told me I sounded like Tony Soprano. My response: "Um from Noo Joisey, whodafuckdidyadink I'd sound like? Carol Channing?"
More SB: the ROCKY BALBOA teaser kind of got me a little revved up.
Remember that scene in Coming to America when Eddie Murphy says "Joe Louis was 135 years old" when he lost the Marciano fight? I thought of that watching the Rocky teaser. This is Stallone's Death Wish. I mean, Bronson was 140 and still making Death Wish movies, but at least he had a gun and a wheelchair. Rocky has to use his fists.
Unless he does a Bugs Bunny and puts a brick in his boxing glove, Stallone should get ass kicked in this movie. And then during his inspirational post fight speech, Bill Conti does that thing he does on the Oscars and hits Stallone with a blast of music.
RWK: You didn't get a visceral thrill from that assasination?
Sure, and an even bigger one when Gina pulled that trigger. Mann just kept interrupting my violence with dialogue and an inept love story.
Ryland, You must drop everything you are doing and rent FEMME FATALE immediately. Like, before breakfast.
And, if you want to be satisfied, you should turn it off after the opening sequence (you might also have to clean up, if you're into that sorta thing). But if you want to see a true piece of WTF filmmaking, let that bad boy continue to spin in your DVD player. You won't be bored, that's for sure. It is not even remotely a good movie; it's Skinemax with a big budget. As Mr. Burns stated, rent it anyway.
SB: I do love Banderas dearly, and wish he popped up in more worthwhile projects. The guy is a terrific clown
That he is, even back in the days of those sick Almodovar movies I like so much. He almost saved Evita and he was great on Broadway in Nine. I think he's been letting his wife pick his movies lately.
SB: A demolition derby, maybe? Mann's weakest film in decades? Certainly. But have you seen what else is out there right now?
Now here's an SB bandwagon I can jump on! (You can ride that Hollywood Homicide one by yourself, dude.) It's been a dismal summer for movies. What happened to all my mindless summer enjoyment? M:I:III gave Felicity a gun ("I'm on the Dubya-bee-yatch now!"), Superman thinks he's Jesus, M. Night Shyamalan thnnks he's Jesus and F. Scott Fitzergald, Pirates 2 looked like a horror movie from Red Lobster Pictures, Crockett and Tubbs think they should be taken seriously, and Scoop was just plain mindless. What happened?! Is Snakes on a Plane going to be the thing that restores my faith in pure summer trash?
A demolition derby, maybe? Mann's weakest film in decades? Certainly. But have you seen what else is out there right now?
Good question. I haven't been to a film at the theaters in quite a while and at least Mann got me out there. Here was my timed-out afternoon:
The beginning of Scoop -- aargh!
25 minutes of Superman Returns -- yack!
An hour of Pirates of the Caribbean -- modestly entertaining but I didn't mind leaving it one bit.
All of Miami Vice. I guess it had that much going for it, at least.
Really, one of the things that marks a successful film is how few times it kicks you out of the experience. Right? Watching the Munich DVD, it was hours into it before I finally thought, "Gee, I'm watching a movie." In other words, master craftsmanship.
But too many of those moments in MV, and I'd like someone to please tell me about this one:
Where in the hell did Crocket come up with a grenade during the meeting with Yabo (or whatever his name was)? They were frisked when they came into the room.
Did he have it stashed in what Tony Soprano would call "his basket?"
I believe the white supremacists' sniper rifles were Barrett .50s -- an appropriate choice, as the Barrett is notoriously a favorite of militia and AB types, when they can afford them. There are occasional calls to ban them as likely to be used by terrorists against aircraft, etc. Harper's published the transcript of a disturbing conversation between an undercover ATF agent and a gun dealer, during which the Barrett's effectivess against armor, particularly armored limousines, was much emphasized.
It's possible that Mann chose them for those associations -- he chose the coat hangers in the motel scene with Ashley Judd in Heat, as I recall.
Odie: "What happened?! Is Snakes on a Plane going to be the thing that restores my faith in pure summer trash? "
Actually the best popcorn film of the summer is due next weekend and it's about a bunch of cute Scottish women who have a little adventure underground.
As for Vice, what a colossal waste of talent and resources and that's coming from a big-time Mann disciple from way back. This was nearly 2 and a half hours of perfunctory plotting, obtuse cop show jargon, thinly sketched characterization, loud gunfire and car and ammo (and speedboat and airplane and helicopter and so on) porn.
What struck me most is how much of a Michael Mann knock-off the film was, like it felt it was made by someone who loved Mann's films but had none of the filmmaker's worldview or personality. It’s all posturing and glowering in search of “cool” with no mechanizations underneath the performances, as if the direction began and ended with “act like a badass.” Foxx, who’s done his best work for Mann, is completely playing against his strengths (the bedroom joke, while nice, is the only moment of levity in the performance and ultimately is out of place coming from the mouth of this humorless bore). Ferrell who can always be counted on to invest these bland alpha-male roles with danger and a rascal’s heart here just lowers his voice an octave and slumps his shoulders. I wish his relationship with Gong Li could resonate for me in some way (especially since it takes up such an inordinate amount of screen time) but it never moves beyond too pretty ciphers compulsively humping and reminding us that “this won’t last.”
And when can you say about Gong without sounding cruel? One of Asia’s best actresses reduced to playing the Jennifer Tilly (or Eva Mendes) role, delivering Mann’s clunky dialogue with all the conviction of a ninth grader in a Spanish class conjugating verbs off the blackboard. I applaud ethnic-blind casting and Mann films the actress beautifully but speaking English should be a prerequisite somewhere along the line.
Everything feels derivative of earlier Mann (and that’s coming from someone who’s seen not a single Vice episode in their life) but with no real sense of purpose or energy. The use of the Viper/HD, so perfectly-suited to painting one of the most populated and often-filmed cities in America as an impressionistic, alien and lonely landscape here feels like just another toy on display; Mann’s Ferrari to tool around with. The music selection is like a greatest hits collection of Mann’s previous films (more Moby and Audioslave) but it’s more or less haphazardly dropped over picture without an ear for the iconic. There’s no moment in the film that stays with you like “God Moving Over the Face Of the Waters” as Pacino holds DeNiro or Lisa Gerrard’s sad harmonizing as Russell Crowe watching the walls melt away into a family movie. Weeks from now, the only thing people will remember about the film is how casually violent it is.
Plus, in hindsight, how depressing is it to see Mann going back to this well? Whatever you feel about Collateral (for the record I just about love it unconditionally) it gives you the quintessential Mann superman in Cruise’s hitman while at the same time busting open the conventional and revealing it to be the fraud it is. Beneath the sleek suits, clipped dialogue, nihilistic world-view and handiness with weapons is a complete and utter vacuum of personality and soul bested by the bumbling everyman who rise above by beginning to care more and investing in something beyond “the job.” And yet here we are with more empty suits who talk tough and carry big guns.
Sean: “A demolition derby, maybe? Mann's weakest film in decades? Certainly. But have you seen what else is out there right now?”
This sort of mentality has been bugging me all summer (it was rampant in many circles when Superman came out), as if we’re grading on a bell curve and after months of mediocrity we’re supposed to now lower our standards because something’s got to come out as “the best.” Does that mean if Vice opened May 5th, before the disappointment train started rolling, it gets the slap it deserves? Why should what’s released around a film factor in to how we appraise it and does it work the other way in the fall when all the Oscar contenders are all clamoring for screens: “Well I liked Good Night, and Good Luck a lot but when you compare it to History of Violence I like it less.” I like to think it’s this across the board of lowering of standards that’s allowed these people to get away with releasing garbage during the months the AC is on.
sean burns: (I think he types with his balls.)
Now that's a powerful image. An hour has past since I read that sentence and I still can't get it out of my head. But hold on--it's a good thing I have the DVD of FEMME FATALE to do that for me!
Yeah, sure. This stuff's a lot more important than Lebanon. That's another means to earn a quick buck from an audience.
Odie, Odie — it doesn't surprise me that somebody who scorns the high-flown romantic brilliance of MACARTHUR PARK would totally not appreciate MIAMI VICE. This is not an action film, it's a chick flick about a guy and a girl who are in love but cannot love because of their circumstances. It's really that simple. While I winced at the Farrell line, "I'm a fiend for mojitos," this movie is essentially a silent film about desire and the way a man and a woman look at each other and lust after each other. Why do you think the film is shot in such dizzying, intense closeup? It's about the overwhelming power of intimacy, both in the personal relationships and the professional ones. It's a love story heightened by firepower and really cool boats. The action is the MacGuffin, folks, because Mann will never come right out and admit that he's as big a gooey, romantic softie as Kevin Smith is, that would kill his street cred. The movie is Colin Farrell and Gong Li in love, although the last scene says something else, too, which I think is sort of brilliant. Anyway, can't wait to see it again. Fabulous movie.
By the way, look at the scene of the jet flying through the clouds. Has anybody seen a stock plane shot filmed with such visual panache?
Andrew: Actually the best popcorn film of the summer is due next weekend and it's about a bunch of cute Scottish women who have a little adventure underground.
Actually, if you mean The Descent, I saw that four months ago on DVD. While the director does some very nice, claustrophobic things, I really wasn't that enamored of it. The plus is that it does get under your skin if you have issues with enclosed spaces (I do), but like Wolf Creek before it, the movie gives me far too much opportunity to spend time with, and learn to dislike, the victims. And the ending I saw is apparently different from the ending the US will see.
AB: I applaud ethnic-blind casting and Mann films the actress beautifully but speaking English should be a prerequisite somewhere along the line.
AMEN to that! Somebody needs to perform an intervention for Gong Li, and get her out of these American movies where she embarrasses herself. Her Hooked on Phonics performances make me cringe. Mann should have made her a mute; she can do wonders with no dialogue.
"Beebe's work in Vice--shot, like Collateral, on high-definition video--is haphazard, switching stock for no good reason, and generally accomplishing little besides drawing attention to itself."
Not to nitpick, but I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. Obviously shooting on video means there is no stock, therefore no changing of stock, and according to August's American Cinematographer the entire movie was printed on the same stock. Using these cameras there is a clear difference between the way daylight and night scenes are rendered, especially since the use of "movie lights" on the night sequences are kept to a minimum. That being said, there doesn't seem to be a clear change in the visual stategy of the movie from sequence to sequence.
atoep: That's not Odie, that's me. Although he knows how "Miami Vice" was shot, he'd reflexively used the phrase, "switching film stocks" and I truncated that phrase during the editing process because the movie was shot on high-def, and the word "film" doesn't apply. Your explanation is clear and sounds correct -- I can't say for sure because I still haven't seen the movie, but I'm not fool enough to argue with American Cinematographer. However, it was a choice between interrupting the flow of the paragraph for a precise explanation vs. going with a ballpark phrasing that wasn't technically perfect. And other reviews have noticed a difference in grain from sequence to sequence, or within a sequence.
For what it's worth, though, I've purchased a fair amount of tape in the last few years, and many distributors do use the word "stock" to describe what they sell. For instance, here and here. I realize the word "stock" refers to specific merchandise for sale and not necessarily to the stuff that rolls from one reel to the other inside the plastic case. Nevertheless, I offer this tidbit as meager justification for an editorial choice that's open to dispute.
TLRHB: it doesn't surprise me that somebody who scorns the high-flown romantic brilliance of MACARTHUR PARK would totally not appreciate MIAMI VICE.
This is the nicest thing you have ever said to me.
Since you so eloquently "schooled" me on the romantic stylings of clueless macho men, allow me to retort about your beloved MacArthur Park.
MacArthur Park is all about getting a venereal disease. Look at its lyrics. "It took so long to bake it" equals "getting burned." The cake getting ruined in the rain is symbolic of not using protection (galoshes are sometimes called rubbers, and your shoes, or in this case, your cake, won't get ruined if it's protected). And you can't get a case of "love's hot, fevered iron" (which burns!) in your "striped pair of pants" if you do it yourself, which is what the line "Birds like tender babies in your hands" means.
This deconstruction is just as romantic (and full of shit) as Miami Vice. Next week, Odie explains the Christian allegory of charity that is Chuck Berry's My Ding-a-Ling.
Matt: "And other reviews have noticed a difference in grain from sequence to sequence, or within a sequence."
MV hasn't opened where I live yet, but that can easily be explained: The lower the light level, the more video grain. Mann loves the poetic distortion of digital video under low-light circumstances. He probably shot many of the scenes with available light, which means fluctuations in grain from shot to shot are unavoidable. Mann likes to push his technology, especially when it helps him to achieve an interesting look.
Real fast, because I'm heading out: Saw Miami Vice last night, flaws and all (including mis-castinig) I liked it just fine. Not Mann at his best, but as a distillation of everything that makes this man go, it is glorious.
Quick question: Why is that the scene of Crockett and Isabella go fast boating it to Cuba, India.Irie on the soundtrack, that boat an arcing speck of white across a vast blue background, is so thriling to me. It's Mann painting. Beautiful. An almost peerless.
Peet: "Mann loves the poetic distortion of digital video under low-light circumstances." You're right about this; in fact, his short-lived network series "Robbery Homicide Division" was shot high-def in real locations, mostly with available light, and all the nighttime street footage had grain specks the size of frisbees. I asked him about this at a press conference and he said he intentionally cranked up the gain when shooting in very dark conditions, knowing full well that it's considered a sign of amateurism (or a low budget) because he liked the rawness of the resulting image. He also operated the camera himself whenever possible, just because he enjoys it.
It's interesting to look at Mann's earlier movies, which were shot on 35mm film and had a hard, glossy look, and compare them with his more recent stuff, starting with "The Insider" (shot on film) and continuing into his experiments with high-def (starting with "Ali," which was shot on 35mm but contained some high-def imagery transferred to film). His camerawork has gotten less meticulous, even loose or wild, and he's gotten more and more comfortable with "rough" visual signals (heavy grain, for instance). He may have the same preoccupations he had when he started out, but he is not the same filmmaker.
I have seen Miami Vice twice now, and the second viewing, last night, solidified my opinion that it is the best movie I have seen since, appropriately and surprisingly enough, The New World. I find it hard to articulate precisely why, but I'll take a stab at it:
It moves quickly. Fewer lines of explanation for the slowest members of the audience, less time wasted on transitions, than I've seen in a long time.
The characters serve purposes, and experience emotions, other than puppy love and entitlement.
The world that in another movie, especially another American action movie, would be homogenous in every way (notwithstanding the black cop/white cop buddy cliche), is complicated. Guns from the Ukraine, pirated software from China, crates with Russian markings. Gong Li's accent is of a piece with this -- more than a joke for the David Denbys of New York.
The victory is partial, to say the least -- the Colombian military finds Montoya's house empty and abandoned, Montoya moving on in the business of international violence that his beard and glare and CNN screen suggest to the post-9/11 American viewer; Trudy will be scarred for life; only Crockett knows what walking back into the hospital instead of sailing away with Isabella costs him; there will always be more drugs, more Aryan Brotherhood thugs.
That's right, Matt--although I'd be careful to describe Mann's change of style as "less meticulous." Mann will test every technical detail of the shoot over a period of many weeks and involve a color corrector early on to ensure the specific image he wants.
Just read this quote from DP Paul Cameron:
"In essence, we reinvented the wheel for lighting car interiors. We created a lighting system using electroluminescent [EL] panels [created by Novatech of Simi Valley, Calif.]. Those are basically lights that look like laminated pieces of paper. Over a period of weeks during the testing phase, we cut and mixed phosphors for the paper panels to get the color temperature we wanted for the car interior. We then installed those lights with customized, low-voltage wiring and dimmer boxes for each picture car. This gave us the look Michael wanted - a kind of ominous lighting effect that makes it seem like there is almost no light on the actors. The goal was to keep the IRE level up to reduce the noise on the faces of the actors. For the most part, we shot at plus-6 DB on the Viper camera. Looking at the monitor, it seemed like we were 1 to 2 stops over what you would normally do in the film lighting world. But with our calculations, we knew how far we could go and still be able to Power Window those shots as needed."
I believe the jury has come in with a verdict on Colin Farrell, and it's not a favaorable one: He is simply not an interesting actor, an engaging actor, or one capable of holding the screen. Why Mann felt he needed him is anyone's guess. I certainly don't believe Farrell's name on the poster is opening weekend insurance. He's another good looking hollywood actor on whom the dew of adolescence has barely evaporated. And there's a shitload of these guys out there desparately trying to convince us of their "manliness". Oy...And it must be said, Foxx is not much of a badass himself.
I was thinking after the movie last night, what if you've got Aaron Eckhart as Crockett and Jefrey Wright as a thinking man's Tubbs. A different dimension. Mann likes those deliberate types after all, doesn't he?
Odie, you never disappoint. I knew bringing up MP was like throwing a soft, slow pitch right down the middle. Loved it.
Tim: Where in the hell did Crocket come up with a grenade during the meeting with Yabo (or whatever his name was)? They were frisked when they came into the room.
In the background you can see Switek and Zito (and I believe also Trudy and Gina) enter the club pretending to be customers a little while after Crockett and Tubbs sit down. (They weren't frisked because they weren't sitting in "The Bad Guys' VIP Lounge.") Zito tosses Crockett the grenade once everybody stands up and whips out their dicks... I mean, their guns.
Next week, Odie explains the Christian allegory of charity that is Chuck Berry's My Ding-a-Ling.
I can't wait that long.
Dignan: we’re grading on a bell curve and after months of mediocrity we’re supposed to now lower our standards... why should what’s released around a film factor in to how we appraise it.
This is called human nature, and I'm not sure how to pretend it doesn't exist, pal. If you eat microwave Chef Boyardee raviolis five days in a row, then on that sixth night even The Olive Garden is gonna taste pretty damn delicious, ya know?
As my two VICE screenings were interspersed between viewings of YOU, ME AND DUPREE, LADY IN THE WATER, MY SUPER-EX GIRLFRIEND and SCOOP... well, perhaps I got a bit over-excited because I had almost forgotten what it's like to sit through an commercially released motion picture without once contemplating suicide.
More Dignan: it gives you the quintessential Mann superman in Cruise’s hitman while at the same time busting open the convention and revealing it to be the fraud it is.
Right - but this is what pretty much every Mann movie does? His heroes typically come off as badasses for a little while, before eventually exposing themeselves as lonely, isolated souls who by the end of the movie have willingly consigned themselves to some sort of self-imposed Hell...
...we've already discussed Caan's nihlistic THIEF implosion, and even though DeNiro gets the "thirty seconds flat" speech in HEAT, Pacino wins only because he's the one who actually lives by this credo and thus walks out on his family (effectively ending his third marriage) at the hospital.
Crockett acknowledges that he is "not ready at all" to drop the hammer on Isabella... but he's "in it all the way" and so he does - trudging back to the hospital for the closing shot, in a victory that feels more like defeat.
COLLATERAL fits the same bill, but it makes it easier on the audience by also giving you a conventional good guy to root for instead - yes, that meek cabdriver who has never held a gun, yet can still improbably (though quite entertainingly) out-shoot the career assassin.
Burns: COLLATERAL fits the same bill, but it makes it easier on the audience by also giving you a conventional good guy to root for instead
It’s not just the audience’s sympathies that are swayed towards Max; I feel that the turning point is in Mann’s sympathies swinging in his direction as well. When Vincent bests Neil it’s one superman defeating another. As you pointed out, one jaded, emotionally detached ethos over another. In Thief it’s superman Caan defeating a mob of armed assassins single-handedly. Mohamed Ali, Will Graham, Lowell Bergman (considering that The Insider is often remembered for Crowe’s work, the very mortal Wigand more or less disappears for the last 40 mins of the film while Al single-handedly changes world events); same type-A personality persevering over and over again. But in Collateral you have Max with none of the calculation or cunning of Vincent (popular name), acting improbably and often against his own best interest and killing the trained killer through dumb luck. Vincent is completely detached and obsessed with nothing beyond success in his work, which is mirrored early on in Max (his obsessive cleanliness, his knowledge of traffic patterns, his thoroughness/timidness in starting his new business) and by the end of the evening he’s destroyed his cab, told off his boss and placed himself in harms way for a woman he’d ordinarily have nothing to do with. It’s precisely because he has a soul (the thing Max claims is missing from Vincent) that makes him the film’s hero. Max certainly takes a few pro-active pointers from his fair, but to group him into the same category as Mann’s protagonists listed above is absurd.
Burns again: “…improbably (though quite entertainingly)…”
Isn’t that basically Collateral in a nutshell?
Dignan: Max certainly takes a few pro-active pointers from his fair, but to group him into the same category as Mann’s protagonists listed above is absurd.
I hope I didn't try to. Vincent is the Mann character.
Max comes from unsung PIRATES guy Stuart Beattie and Frank Darabont and the nine-thousand other people who worked on this script as it journeyed from a direct-to-video Gary Busey thriller (name-checked even, on that terribly unpleasant Comedy Central Busey Reality Show) to what it is now, which is...
“…improbably (though quite entertainingly)…" Isn’t that basically Collateral in a nutshell?
Yep. I love it to death - I've seen it maybe fifteen times, but it's still just as big a load of fucking awesome macho bullshit as that new movie you're ragging on, dude. COLLATERAL's just framed tighter and has a few more sops to the blue-hairs and the Syd Field crowd. I don't get the big philosophical difference.
Whatever... both of these movies are so swarthy that I walk out of the theater with delusions of virility. I'm just a sucker for a good testosterone rush, I guess.
Fellas, there is absolutely no-fucking-way Josh Hartnett even gets close to nailing down Dect. Bucky Bleichert in "The Black Dahlia". Bleichert is a classic Ellroy protagonist. These men rage and burn. They are killed, they self-destruct, or they disappear, headed for parts unknown. Have you guys read Ellroy? Hartnett doesn't have that kind of access to that kind of darkness. Aaron Eckhardt, his co-star, belongs in this universe. Russell Crowe belongs there (L.A. Confidential).
I will say it again: I am sick, of these pin-ups in these kinds of films.
Wow. Liked this movie. Liked Gong Li. Liked the relationship between her and Farrell. And...AND I liked her accent. Honestly, the criticism of her seems pedantic at best, borderline racist at worst. If she is a "Dragon Lady" it's not because that's how Mann chose to portray her. It's because that's how you chose to see her.
Also, if Fox has the most stable relationship in the movie, doesn't that mean the minority characters are actually treated rather well? If the movie chose to concentrate on Farrell and Li, isn't that because unstable relationships are more cinematically interesting than stable ones?
Dude, you're even wrong about the whole "I'll take your badges" scene (and really, if you have to make up dialogue to criticize a movie how right can you be?) The captain's not saying "I'll take your badges", he's saying, basically, "I put my ass on the line for you guys, if you fuck this up we're all going to get burned". At least get the clichés right.
KJ: "Have you guys read Ellroy? Hartnett doesn't have that kind of access to that kind of darkness."
Ellroy himself would disagree. He's said repeatedly that Hartnett is a revelation and absolutely nails the character.
Well, Saturday was a party at a friend’s house and Sunday I had to work (call it the back-in-the-real-world equivalent of following up a stopover in Cuba to sample the mojitos with executing a perfect hostage-release raid on a trailer), so I missed out on an interesting discussion.
I rather liked MIAMI VICE precisely because it was so goes-down-easy mainstream. For the first act or so I was enjoying it in bits and pieces (the informant’s freeway suicide was stunning; Foxx and Harris’s romantic interlude spontaneous and genuinely sexy in a way most movies can’t even conceive, let alone pull off) but it all felt so hollow and pointless. I was missing Mann’s gravitas, the way his gaze tips over from clear-eyed melancholy into a thousand-yard stare and invests those neon-rippled streets and empty, symmetrically furnished rooms with a palpable ache. But when Farrell and Gong hit the dance floor, and Mann’s camera savored a tightly clad hip as longingly as Wong Kar-Wai’s ever has, it struck me this wasn’t the latest Treatise on Mannly Men, rather an entertaining throwaway, a chance to rehang the old clichés under more favorable (digitally captured) light.
So in contrast to Odieanator’s take, I actually found it the most light-hearted of Mann’s films. Not playful, no; Mann seems to think enjoying life is tantamount to missing the point. (“What the fuck is [a normal life]” DeNiro asks in Heat, “barbeques and ball games?” Of course later he almost has Pacino pinned down in front of some Weber grills.) But there’s an engaging casualness about the movie, a blissed-out sense that, barring some grisly shoot-outs and a busted love affair or two, things will turn out pretty much how they started. The breathtaking beauty of every Mann film is still there, but it doesn’t feel as labored over, as hard-earned, as before. No doubt it was, as Peet’s quote indicates; but the feel of the thing is that such epiphanies as the cigarette boat gleaming blue in the twilight, the parti-colored Haitian streets, the South American river that opens up to a fractal wonder of a waterfall (whose own majesty is immediately diminished to mere backdrop for the definitive drug-lord’s mansion), were as much happy accidents as the lightning flaring up Miami’s steamy night sky.
Odienator: “And what [Gong] was REALLY pistol whipping was the English language.”
I didn’t have a problem understanding a single one of her lines. Though I can’t dodge anonymous’s imputations of racism my own self because both Tosar’s thick-tongued locutions and Farrell’s clotted attempts at Southern-fried escaped my audibility more than once.
Odienator: “The more I think about this movie, the more I realize that it feels written by a 12-year old boy--and not in a good Conan the Barbarian kind of way.”
It feels more paint-by-numbers to me (which could of course indicate my blindness to my own immaturity). Less juvenile than indifferent to nuance. That didn’t bother me for the reasons mentioned above, but I admit either comes off more as an excuse for the script than an explanation.
Sean: “I think it's thematically interesting to stage the relationship we're constantly told "has no future" in a landscape that for all intents and purposes stopped sometme in the 1950's.
“For a movie so obsessed with hyper-modern sleek technology, the vintage cars and aged architecture of the Cuba sequence provided what I thought was a pretty nifty visual contrast.”
Lovely catch I wish I’d made. Possibly a second viewing is more in order than I thought.
KJ: “I believe the jury has come in with a verdict on Colin Farrell, and it's not a favaorable one….”
I’ve liked Farrell well enough here and there (mostly MINORITY REPORT and THE NEW WORLD, though he panics well in PHONE BOOTH), but he was the least engaging element onscreen here, yeah.
Sean: “[Femme Fatale] is one of the happiest, horniest movies I have ever seen -- only DePalma could combine a Christ-like crucifixion/rebirth/redemption pose with a full-on Rebecca Rojmin beaver shot, and the great thing about BDP is you know he's absolutely sincere about the beauty of both.”
Just wanted to chime in with total agreement on that.
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